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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Arrow View Post
    Only around 120-150 million of us actually vote and of those that actually vote, there aren't a whole lot of competing interests. We tend to vote pretty neatly along two partisan lines.
    As we have for centuries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Arrow View Post
    Only around 120-150 million of us actually vote and of those that actually vote, there aren't a whole lot of competing interests. We tend to vote pretty neatly along two partisan lines.
    I think this discounts the complex and inclusive primary process, GA. Many interests come to the table during primary season, many teeth are cut for example the GOParty following the election of Obama on 2008. A more grass roots movement began, the Tea Party process if you will that had less to do party politics and more to do with common street issues.

    The problem as I see it in breaking party lines is the Europe effect. The party runoffs they go through and you end up with a President or Prime Minister who garners 28% of the vote.

    We've been effective choosing a leader, electing a President who is also the head of his party. I don't see fixing what's not broken, let's concentrate on how legislators are elected now, redraw some of these bug splat districts where we end up with a broom riding Maxine Waters for example.

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    Why Is America So Bad at Promoting Democracy in Other Countries?

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    Because the U.S. form of Democracy is corrupt to the core.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AeonPax View Post
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    Because the U.S. form of Democracy is corrupt to the core.
    hence why you Democrats elected Hillary to represent you. Bernie kept winning primaries, your superdelegates ready to strike him down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransom View Post
    hence why you Democrats elected Hillary to represent you. Bernie kept winning primaries, your superdelegates ready to strike him down.
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    I'm not a democrat nor republican. Both parties are part of this corruption.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Refugee View Post
    I think there does have to be a social contract and even the Founding Fathers understood that when they implied it was up to the people to honour the constitution or face losing it. The more equality (read government dependency) now proposed, the nearer the US moves away from the constitution towards a European style democracy (voting by numbers). You can see this in action as the politicians vie with each other to offer collectivised approaches, minus the individuality. The constitution was the social contract (an agreement), which put the individual before the state.
    Actually, the Constitution itself was a breech of what the Colonists accomplished in their war with England.
    When money lenders started using the Massachusetts courts to rob the farmers, the farmers rose and regulated their public servants & stopped the money lenders' wrongful ways.
    However, some other so called patriots in other states, raised an army to invade Massachusetts and shot down the American Men of Massachusetts who were regulating their public servants.

    After this the commercial interests got the Constitution passed to make sure the American Men never regulated their public servants again, except through namby pamby voting for 2 evils, until the Men of the Southern states took action to regulate their public servants.
    Once again, the Americans who sought to regulate the politicians etc. were betrayed and shot down.

    Since Karl Marx & Lincoln pulled off their Communist revolution by a very un-Civil war, America has been a Communist country where all 10 Planks of the Communist Manifesto are in place locally, State wide, nationally & internationally.
    This is why the USA could not "fight" Communism, because it was instead promoting Communism.....only we call it Capitalism.

    We yap about "human rights" etc. and spend 20 trillion to destroy millions of lives.

    We have no rights, only Privileges revocable at officialdom's pleasure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    Right. 330 million Americans have no competing interests. Wisconsin, California, Texas, Vermont, Iowa...all the same.
    I was pretty explicitly referring to the 150 million that vote, not the entire population of the country. People who don't vote are frankly irrelevant to the political process.
    "We were taught under the old ethic that man's business on this earth was to look out for himself. That was the ethic of the jungle; the ethic of the wild beast. Take care of yourself, no matter what may become of your fellow man. Yes, I am my brother's keeper. I am under a moral obligation to him that is inspired, not by any maudlin sentimentality, but by the higher duty I owe to myself."
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    Quote Originally Posted by donttread View Post
    LOL. If you can't make counterpoints why bother answering at all? It just makes you looks beaten in the debate and desperate. Nations are simply a collection of people and should reflect those people's values. Bullying, domination, meddling etc are not the values of most Americans.
    It'a almost as if being a "nation" exempts those who lead that nation from any form of morality.
    Simply stating great power politics is far from being beaten. The world is what it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivan88 View Post
    Actually, the Constitution itself was a breech of what the Colonists accomplished in their war with England.
    When money lenders started using the Massachusetts courts to rob the farmers, the farmers rose and regulated their public servants & stopped the money lenders' wrongful ways.
    However, some other so called patriots in other states, raised an army to invade Massachusetts and shot down the American Men of Massachusetts who were regulating their public servants.

    After this the commercial interests got the Constitution passed to make sure the American Men never regulated their public servants again, except through namby pamby voting for 2 evils, until the Men of the Southern states took action to regulate their public servants.
    Once again, the Americans who sought to regulate the politicians etc. were betrayed and shot down.

    Since Karl Marx & Lincoln pulled off their Communist revolution by a very un-Civil war, America has been a Communist country where all 10 Planks of the Communist Manifesto are in place locally, State wide, nationally & internationally.
    This is why the USA could not "fight" Communism, because it was instead promoting Communism.....only we call it Capitalism.

    We yap about "human rights" etc. and spend 20 trillion to destroy millions of lives.

    We have no rights, only Privileges revocable at officialdom's pleasure.
    Alea iacta est

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    This is another problem, donttread. Many of you are fond of saying things like "whose morality?" Morality is now perceived as a private affair. The fact that we demand "morality" from our public officials and our government should clue us in to how wrong we are but it hasn't yet.

    We've shed our common bonds because they were "oppressive". We exchanged them for the fetters of a slave.

    I don't believe that we are necessarily born with inate morality . This believe is based upon what whole societies can be raised to do and be OK with. Such as slavery, beating your wife, human sacrifices etc.
    However, I do believe that most westerners have some core similarities in what they consider "moral" and that for the vast majority of us harming another is amoral unless in self defense . Therefore I expect our nation to reflect our values and believe that in a perfect world rather than being "above the law" our leaders should lead largely by example.
    I'd like to hear more of your thoughts on an iherent morality though , because I think it should be there . I just can't square it with the facts of history and current events.

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