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    Why Is America So Bad at Promoting Democracy in Other Countries?

    Why Is America So Bad at Promoting Democracy in Other Countries?

    Here is an interesting article about the dangers of intervention to bring democracy to other nations.

    If you’re a dedicated Wilsonian, the past quarter-century must have been pretty discouraging. Convinced liberal democracy was the only viable political formula for a globalizing world, the last three U.S. administrations embraced Wilsonian ideals and made democracy promotion a key element of U.S. foreign policy. For Bill Clinton, it was the “National Security Strategy of Engagement and Enlargement.” For George W. Bush, it was the “Freedom Agenda” set forth in his second inaugural address and echoed by top officials like Condoleezza Rice. Barack Obama has been a less fervent Wilsonian than his predecessors, but he appointed plenty of ardent liberal internationalists to his administration, declaring, “There is no right more fundamental than the ability to choose your leaders.” And he has openly backed democratic transitions in Egypt, Libya, Yemen, and several other countries.
    The question is, however: How should we try to bring that goal about?

    At the risk of stating the obvious, we do know what doesn’t work, and we have a pretty good idea why. What doesn’t work is military intervention (aka “foreign-imposed regime change”). The idea that the United States could march in, depose the despot-in-chief and his henchmen, write a new constitution, hold a few elections, and produce a stable democracy — presto! — was always delusional, but an awful lot of smart people bought this idea despite the abundant evidence against it.


    Using military force to spread democracy fails for several obvious reasons.First, successful liberal orders depend on a lot more than a written constitution or elections: They usually require an effective legal system, a broad commitment to pluralism, a decent level of income and education, and widespread confidence that political groups which lose out in a particular election have a decent chance of doing better in the future and thus an incentive to keep working within the system. Because a lot of social elements need to line up properly for this arrangement to work and endure, creating reasonably effective democracies took centuries in the West, and it was often a highly contentious — even violent — process. To believe the U.S. military could export democracy quickly and cheaply required a degree of hubris that is still breathtaking to recall.

    Read the entire article at the link.
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    "promoting" isn't what we usually do. It's closer to "force feeding".
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    Yes, the article mentions that.

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    "promoting" isn't what we usually do. It's closer to "force feeding".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Yes, the article mentions that.
    Yes, I saw.
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    Well, the US government is not actually interested in promoting democracy, so there's that.

    And even if they really wanted to promote democracy, they'd mess it up just like they mess everything else up: Education, banking, healthcare, etc.

    The US government is just a criminal organization with really good public relations. So nobody should be surprised when they fail to do what they set out to do.
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    We've failed to promote it...in our OWN country, Rocket Scientists!

    Because we're quitters, Realists and Isolationists and of course our resident we're never gonna make it Pooh character, Eeyore....sorry Ethereal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Well, the US government is not actually interested in promoting democracy, so there's that.

    And even if they really wanted to promote democracy, they'd mess it up just like they mess everything else up: Education, banking, healthcare, etc.

    The US government is just a criminal organization with really good public relations. So nobody should be surprised when they fail to do what they set out to do.
    Jeez..... You are completely predictable. You can blame the US for virtually every world problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Why Is America So Bad at Promoting Democracy in Other Countries?

    Here is an interesting article about the dangers of intervention to bring democracy to other nations.





    Read the entire article at the link.
    Excellent article; thanks for posting it.
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    In order for democracy to work, the people need to understand it and want it. Outside the West I'm not so sure people understand it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    In order for democracy to work, the people need to understand it and want it. Outside the West I'm not so sure people understand it.
    Or want it if they do understand.
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