War with North Korea is close - a discussion

[Peter1469]

We know North Korea has nuclear weapons.

We are told they may have miniaturized them. That is necessary to put it on top of an ICBM.

We know they have ICBMs.

Their last ICBM test seemed to indicate that a warhead would not survive re-entry into the atmosphere (the only good bit of news).

We know that North Korea claims as recently as this weekend that they will not end their nuclear and missile programs.

Here is an article that I posted in the past- it is what a US war with North Korea would look like.

Here's how a preemptive strike on North Korea would go down

Business Insider spoke with Stratfor's Sim Tack, a senior analyst who is an expert on North Korea, to determine exactly how the US could carry out a crippling strike against the Hermit Kingdom.

Military action against North Korea wouldn't be pretty. Civilians in South Korea, and possibly Japan, and US forces stationed in the Pacific would be likely to die in the undertaking no matter how smoothly things went.



In short, it's not a decision any US commander in chief would make lightly.



But the US would have to choose between a full-scale destruction of North Korea's nuclear facilities and ground forces or a quicker attack on only the most important nuclear facilities. The second option would focus more on crippling North Korea's nuclear program and destroying key threats to the US and its allies.



Since a full-scale attack could lead to "mission creep that could pull the US into a longterm conflict in East Asia," according to Tack of Stratfor, the US would most likely focus on a quick, surgical strike that would wipe out the bulk of North Korea's nuclear forces.

Read the rest at the link.

[Safety]

All they would need to do is detonate one above the US that will shut down any grid and circuit board.

[Peter1469]

All they would need to do is detonate one above the US that will shut down any grid and circuit board.

Line of sight. But yes, the EMP Commission has studied this since 2000 or so. A well placed EMP strike (that may use 2-3 warheads) could destroy our grid and 90% of Americans would die inside a year.

[DGUtley]

Line of sight. But yes, the EMP Commission has studied this since 2000 or so. A well placed EMP strike (that may use 2-3 warheads) could destroy our grid and 90% of Americans would die inside a year.

Why would 90% die?

[Peter1469]

Why would 90% die?

Our society depends on electricity. We use just in time shipping models to stock our grocery stores. That means when the trucks don't run the shelves are bare in a day or two. Anything that needs refrigeration goes bad. That includes steaks, milk, frozen foods, insulin. Diabetics will, well die off. People who can't adapt to a pre-industrial age will die off. Others will turn violent and form gangs or worse to oppress others.

Winter will come and more will die. How many people know how to put seeds in the ground in the spring to grow food?

No electronic communications. No transportation other than the remaining pre-late 1980s vehicles that still run.

The EMP Commission has it in detail. They have released numerous reports since the early 2000s.

[Private Pickle]

Our society depends on electricity. We use just in time shipping models to stock our grocery stores. That means when the trucks don't run the shelves are bare in a day or two. Anything that needs refrigeration goes bad. That includes steaks, milk, frozen foods, insulin. Diabetics will, well die off. People who can't adapt to a pre-industrial age will die off. Others will turn violent and form gangs or worse to oppress others.

Winter will come and more will die. How many people know how to put seeds in the ground in the spring to grow food?

No electronic communications. No transportation other than the remaining pre-late 1980s vehicles that still run.

The EMP Commission has it in detail. They have released numerous reports since the early 2000s.

Individuals who do not understand the gravity of this situation are frustrating. They will be the first to die. It makes you wonder what kind of horrific impact both our PC education system combined with our partisan media reporting has on us as a society.

[Tahuyaman]

Line of sight. But yes, the EMP Commission has studied this since 2000 or so. A well placed EMP strike (that may use 2-3 warheads) could destroy our grid and 90% of Americans would die inside a year.

I think that's a bit dramatic.

[MisterVeritis]

Line of sight. But yes, the EMP Commission has studied this since 2000 or so. A well placed EMP strike (that may use 2-3 warheads) could destroy our grid and 90% of Americans would die inside a year.

I think that's a bit dramatic.

Everyone with medical conditions needing refrigerated meds will be high on the casualty list. The lack of clean water guarantees water-borne illnesses. The very young and the old will be dead within a month.

The food supply runs out in less than a week. We become tribal. Those of us with weapons will take what we must to ensure our families are fed. I expect between 5-10% will be killed resisting. Another third will starve within three months. That gets us up to around one-half of the population.

All news will be local. Canada will be off the grid. Northern Mexico too. Anyone coming will be coming to plunder and loot (just like our government).

[Peter1469]

Line of sight. But yes, the EMP Commission has studied this since 2000 or so. A well placed EMP strike (that may use 2-3 warheads) could destroy our grid and 90% of Americans would die inside a year.

Everyone with medical conditions needing refrigerated meds will be high on the casualty list. The lack of clean water guarantees water-borne illnesses. The very young and the old will be dead within a month.

The food supply runs out in less than a week. We become tribal. Those of us with weapons will take what we must to ensure our families are fed. I expect between 5-10 will be killed resisting. Another third will starve within three months. That gets us up to around one-half of the population.

All news will be local. Canada will be off the grid. Northern Mexico too. Anyone coming will be coming to plunder and loot (just like our government).

Winter is coming.....

[Peter1469]

I think that's a bit dramatic.

An internet / industrial people suddenly dropped into a pre-industrial age? It would be brutal.