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    Question Social Security and Medicare

    Why are these framed as Entitlements for "everyone", when in reality you have to contribute in order to benefit?

    Who get's SS or Medicare for free without contribution?

    Am I missing something?
    The Early Bird may get the Worm, but it's the Second Mouse who gets the Cheese

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    Illegals.
    Democrats believe that "politics is war by other means." And they are at war with America, with common sense and even common decency. Those who would mount an effective opposition had better have a high tolerance for slime, slander and abuse.

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    No, illegals don't. I realize they're popular scapegoats but the ones I know drawing Social Security paid their FICA taxes and are drawing their checks now. The ones I know live in Mexico so they don't get Medicare.

    Wives draw social security based on their husband's work so they get a free ride even if they're divorced.

    It might be called an "entitlement" because there is no contractual agreement. It's a tax that you have to pay and whether or not you ever get anything back is strictly up to the whim of the government.

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    You never had to contribute to collect from either program. They were always "pay as you go" which is four words for "Ponzi scheme." Otherwise there would have been no recipients for decades. FDR and LBJ couldn't have that.

    Legal immigrants get these benefits all the time. Old stoners who never paid much into the system get full benefits.

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    Oh God ... this explains everything
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    Sorry, Cigar, but some things are simply beyond you. 2+2=4 comes to mind. Taxcutter is right. Originally, people drew Social Security without having put anything in. Now people put in and are unlikely to ever draw out what they put in. Tell me, Cigar, what percentage of his gross income does a self-employed lawn maintenance guy who earns $80,000 a year pay for Social Security and Medicare? Feel free to use Google.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patrickt View Post
    Sorry, Cigar, but some things are simply beyond you. 2+2=4 comes to mind. Taxcutter is right. Originally, people drew Social Security without having put anything in. Now people put in and are unlikely to ever draw out what they put in. Tell me, Cigar, what percentage of his gross income does a self-employed lawn maintenance guy who earns $80,000 a year pay for Social Security and Medicare? Feel free to use Google.

    Sorry I was distracted ... is it me or did President Obama just go Angry Black Man on National TV with his speech today?

    I think we're getting ready to see Obama open up a can of ....

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