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    Let's Talk Poverty

    You'd like to think that poverty, such a serious issue, historically and currently, would be at the top of the list in this, hell, in every election, but well... it's not.

    In fact, only one of the two campaigns was willing to discuss the issue:

    #TalkPoverty: The Obama Campaign Responds

    Three months ago, anticipating that the media and presidential campaigns wouldn’t focus on the struggles of the poor and near poor in a substantive way, TheNation.com kicked off a new campaign: “#TalkPoverty: Questions for Obama and Romney.
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    A thriving #TalkPoverty community developed online, and the Half In Ten coalition—comprised of 200 national and local organizations across the country—ran an excellent spin-off campaign to pressure debate moderators to ask President Obama and Governor Romney about their plans to address child poverty. Despite this vibrant campaign—and the outsized focus of the debates on the domestic economy—the moderators never asked a single question about poverty.

    At the outset of the #TalkPoverty effort, I promised to hound both campaigns for answers. In the end, it didn’t really require hounding as far as the Obama campaign was concerned—they agreed to respond when I first contacted them. The Romney campaign, on the other hand, initially expressed openness before sending an e-mail last Thursday: “We will not be participating. Thanks for the offer.” It seems that the Romney campaign prefers to continue its strategy of speaking about “the poor” without saying anything of substance about antipoverty policies, or speaking in a manner completely untethered from reality, or outright lying.

    http://www.thenation.com/blog/170950...aign-responds#
    Poverty in this country in this magnitude is inexcusable and should be the single-most important concern in this country today. But it's not. Not if you take your cue from the campaigns, and the debate questions poised during the three presidential debates. At least the Obama campaign was willing to answer questions posed in the above article.

    Something needs to be done about the poor, the hungry and the shelterless. Not just in this country but worldwide. Don't ask me what the answer is. My answer would require a complete reconstruction of world economic priorities. Imagine anyone going for that.
    Please note: verbage enclosed by < > indicates sarcasm

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    The only way IMHO to break the poverty cycle is through education and opportunity - both of which we're failing miserably.

    Unless you're lucky enough to be born into wealth, then both are readily available to you in excess.
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    Since LBJ's war on poverty it's only increased. It should be obvious that government-designed programs don't work. And do so if for no other reason than they take profits to fund the programs. But without profits an economy cannot grow nor a nation prosper. Central planning throughout the history of various sorts of socialism--social democracy the worst--has been an utter failure. And, no, throwing smarter people and more money at it won't help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bladimz View Post

    Poverty in this country in this magnitude is inexcusable and should be the single-most important concern in this country today. But it's not. Not if you take your cue from the campaigns, and the debate questions poised during the three presidential debates. At least the Obama campaign was willing to answer questions posed in the above article.

    Something needs to be done about the poor, the hungry and the shelterless. Not just in this country but worldwide. Don't ask me what the answer is. My answer would require a complete reconstruction of world economic priorities. Imagine anyone going for that.
    To start there is no such word as shelterless. if there were it would mean they couldn't be sheltered. You mean those without shelter (for unsheltered also isn't a word).

    Anyway there are ways to pull out of poverty but it wouldn't be easy unless you knuckled-down. Socialists want to make everyone the same, one class, but it can't work because there will always be a ruling class who has more and who doles out the rewards (scraps). The Mexicans who come here in poverty join together, pool their money, put some away for savings and begin to pull themselves out of poverty. They are driven. We have people here who have been on the government dole for generations and don't care to do anything to improve their lot. They should take a hint from the Mexicans if nothing else.



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    Odumba loves poverty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bladimz View Post
    You'd like to think that poverty, such a serious issue, historically and currently, would be at the top of the list in this, hell, in every election, but well... it's not.

    In fact, only one of the two campaigns was willing to discuss the issue:


    Poverty in this country in this magnitude is inexcusable and should be the single-most important concern in this country today. But it's not. Not if you take your cue from the campaigns, and the debate questions poised during the three presidential debates. At least the Obama campaign was willing to answer questions posed in the above article.

    Something needs to be done about the poor, the hungry and the shelterless. Not just in this country but worldwide. Don't ask me what the answer is. My answer would require a complete reconstruction of world economic priorities. Imagine anyone going for that.

    Obama has had four years to solve poverty. He has made things far worse.

    If you want to really solve poverty- stop funding illegitimate children, put deadbeat dads in labor camps and encourage them to marry, stop the trade deficit with China & Asia, and cut the size of gov't by 50%. Strong enough medicine for you? How bad do you really want to cut poverty?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DonGlock26 View Post
    Obama has had four years to solve poverty. He has made things far worse.

    If you want to really solve poverty- stop funding illegitimate children, put deadbeat dads in labor camps and encourage them to marry, stop the trade deficit with China & Asia, and cut the size of gov't by 50%. Strong enough medicine for you? How bad do you really want to cut poverty?
    The bold items would solve most poverty in this country - if you let the policies run long enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrassrootsConservative View Post
    The bold items would solve most poverty in this country - if you let the policies run long enough.
    They don't want poverty to stop. They want a teat for every deadbeat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrassrootsConservative View Post
    Odumba loves poverty.

    No .
    Ponder on the non PC idea that those in poverty behave as though they accept it . Think about it and the implications , even if only partly fair .
    Judge them by their behaviour and not what they say , or , about what should happen , or , what they need to do , or , be encouraged to do .
    If you violently disagree --- which you almost certainly will ---- explain why those in poverty are so meek and mild in terms of acceptance and non retaliation .
    It's not enough to tell me that in most parts of the world that the affected are cornered and powerless . Shouldn't parents with starving and dying children do more than stand in a queue with wide eyes and the look of death in them?
    Do people in desperate situations generally act like animals when they realise they are dying or incapable of surviving -- they lie down and give up ?

    If this is broadly true , the "haves" then only do just enough to keep the middle classes reasonably quiet and enough to offer the afflicted a flicker of wild hope .
    It is Society's way of unconsciously culling itself when balance and sustainability have been lost . It's not Obama ( that's just sloppy and silly thinking ) . It's all of us to some degree .
    Just musing .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Since LBJ's war on poverty it's only increased. It should be obvious that government-designed programs don't work. And do so if for no other reason than they take profits to fund the programs. But without profits an economy cannot grow nor a nation prosper. Central planning throughout the history of various sorts of socialism--social democracy the worst--has been an utter failure. And, no, throwing smarter people and more money at it won't help.
    I wouldn't say they don't work. When I talk about poverty in the U.S. I always mention whether I mean U.S. poverty or real poverty. Poor people in the U.S. are richer than many working people in other parts of the world.

    What isn't working is people such as Blad whining about poor people in the U.S. His comments are especially galling to people old enough to remember poverty. I remember working hard and having less than "poor" people have now. I can remember a congresswoman from California whining on NPR that some of her poor constituents were so poor they couldn't afford cable television. I'm sure we've solved that problem. When a liberal demanded to know if I had no sympathy for the millions of people staring to death in the U.S. the only response I could think of was, "Anorexia is a terrible disorder." What kind of alternate universe to these people live in?

    I grew up sharing a bed with two cousins. The two girls slept in what was originally intended to be a dining room. My aunt and uncle shared a small bedroom with the baby. When I got married we not only didn't have cable, we didn't have television. Another critical thing we didn't have was some high-paid government bureaucrat telling us we were poor and hopeless and demanding we take "assistance".

    Now I live in Mexico and sadly we have real poverty here but people do have hope. How strange.

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