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    Quote Originally Posted by William View Post
    Umm ... no one has answered my questions about why the surgeons, orthpaedists, and paediatricians, were unwilling to perform the treatments needed - why is that?
    Yes, it was because the insurance plan either didn't cover it or wouldn't pay enough.

    Yes, it doesn't just worry me, it terrifies me. Profit motive run wild.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gamewell45 View Post
    calm down now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by William View Post
    Umm ... no one has answered my questions about why the surgeons, orthpaedists, and paediatricians, were unwilling to perform the treatments needed - why is that?
    Who knows?

    They may have not thought the procedure would work for that patient. They may not have believed they would get an adequate fee for their services. Who knows why they wouldn't do it?

    It doesn't really matter. A doctor is just a tradesman like a plumber or electrician. If they don't want to take a job, they shouldn't have to take it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cletus View Post
    Who knows?

    They may have not thought the procedure would work for that patient. They may not have believed they would get an adequate fee for their services. Who knows why they wouldn't do it?

    It doesn't really matter. A doctor is just a tradesman like a plumber or electrician. If they don't want to take a job, they shouldn't have to take it.
    I understand what you are saying in the cases where it is experimental treatment, but where it is an established procedure, why would they refuse - except for more money?

    If that is the case, why would you want a health care system which depends on how much an insurance company is prepared to pay, and what they cover?
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    Quote Originally Posted by William View Post
    I understand what you are saying in the cases where it is experimental treatment, but where it is an established procedure, why would they refuse - except for more money?
    Every patient is unique. Not every treatment works on every patient.
    If that is the case, why would you want a health care system which depends on how much an insurance company is prepared to pay, and what they cover?
    I don't. I don't like insurance companies, but I like government involvement in the private sector even less.
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    I'll take the profit-based motivation of a private market doctor over the mediocrity of an undercompensated government bureaucromedic any day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalkin View Post
    I'll take the profit-based motivation of a private market doctor over the mediocrity of an undercompensated government bureaucromedic any day.
    Why not the profit-motivated private market doctor, operating as a private practitioner who sends his account to the Department of Health? Cut out the insurance middle man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by William View Post
    Why not the profit-motivated private market doctor, operating as a private practitioner who sends his account to the Department of Health? Cut out the insurance middle man.
    You're just replacing the voluntarily hired middleman (insurance co) with an unaccountable and entrenched middleman (government bureaucrat). I'll still go with the private sector. If I don't like the insurance company, I can choose another or go without altogether. No so with the government. As a general rule, one can always rely on the inefficiency, ineptness, and indifference of government employees. Go to the DMV for a perfect example.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crepitus View Post
    Yes, it was because the insurance plan either didn't cover it or wouldn't pay enough.

    Yes, it doesn't just worry me, it terrifies me. Profit motive run wild.
    Your own statement brings up the "insurance plan". An insurance plan is a contract, consisting of defined benefits and payments. The size of the payment is connected to the limits of the benefits. This isn't rocket science. You don't get unlimited benefits for limited payments. It's not "terrifying" at all if you understand contract law and what you have freely purchased, insurance-wise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by William View Post
    Why not the profit-motivated private market doctor, operating as a private practitioner who sends his account to the Department of Health? Cut out the insurance middle man.
    Why do you need the government involved?
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