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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransom View Post
    Disrupt the NK economy. You must understand, this is the first time China has agreed to sanctions. It sends a clear message to NK that Chinese leadership may be losing patience with Kim, the NK leader's recent blink in regards to missile tests towards Guam an example of the answer to your question there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransom View Post
    Disrupt the NK economy. You must understand, this is the first time China has agreed to sanctions. It sends a clear message to NK that Chinese leadership may be losing patience with Kim, the NK leader's recent blink in regards to missile tests towards Guam an example of the answer to your question there.

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    No. Neither were you correct. But keep trying. You missed the point . Do you think Kim will be without food, water or goods?

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    Quote Originally Posted by donttread View Post
    No. Neither were you correct. But keep trying. You missed the point . Do you think Kim will be without food, water or goods?
    The point well understood, it was you who has missed it, donttread. Kim will not be without food or water is the answer to your question, the NK people will suffer and endure more hardships as a result of these sanctions. The outcome uncertain as..again..this is the first time China has cooperated with economic sanctions.

    And water and food not the only wares affected. North Korea must import its' main petroleum, coal, machinery and equipment, and even textiles. And is dwarfed....and I mean absolutely dwarfed by South Korea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransom View Post
    The point well understood, it was you who has missed it, donttread. Kim will not be without food or water is the answer to your question, the NK people will suffer and endure more hardships as a result of these sanctions. The outcome uncertain as..again..this is the first time China has cooperated with economic sanctions.

    And water and food not the only wares affected. North Korea must import its' main petroleum, coal, machinery and equipment, and even textiles. And is dwarfed....and I mean absolutely dwarfed by South Korea.
    Why have we not mined their harbors? That would support the sanctions.
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    Granny says, "Dat's right - give Fatboy a taste o' some shock n' awe...

    The US reportedly wants a limited strike on North Korea to give Kim Jong Un a 'bloody nose'
    21 Dec.`17 - The US is considering a limited strike on North Korea to give Kim Jong Un a metaphorical "bloody nose," The Telegraph reported.; The US has plenty of options for delivering a short, sharp strike against North Korea that could deny it the ability to test and perfect; intercontinental ballistic missiles.; But a US attack on North Korea would be a gamble that a limited strike won't turn into all-out nuclear war.
    After months of resolutely declaring that it cannot and will not tolerate a nuclear-armed North Korea, the US is reportedly planning a "bloody nose" attack to send Pyongyang a message. The Daily Telegraph cited "well-placed" sources as saying the Trump administration had "dramatically" stepped up preparations for a military response to North Korea's nuclear provocations.

    Those possible responses include destroying a launch site before North Korea could test a missile and targeting a stockpile of weapons, according to The Telegraph. "The Pentagon is trying to find options that would allow them to punch the North Koreans in the nose, get their attention and show that we're serious," a former US security official briefed on policy told The Telegraph. The report said the Trump administration had the April 7 strike on a Syrian airfield in mind as a blueprint for the move against North Korea.

    Attacking North Korea would make the Syria strike look easy

    When US Navy ships fired 59 Tomahawk cruise missiles at a Syrian airfield, President Donald Trump had the world's support in attacking a nation accused of using chemical weapons on its own people. Syria's military was already stretched thin fighting a civil war and multiple Islamist terrorist groups. The strike went virtually unpunished. But that most likely wouldn't be the case with a US strike on North Korea, which has a massive standing army and a military posture geared toward offense.

    And there are practical reasons the US can't just blow up a North Korean missile launch site. As Jeffrey Lewis, the director of the East Asia Nonproliferation Program at the Middlebury Institute of International Studies, said on Twitter, "Mobile missiles don't need launch sites, Donald." Instead of using designated launch sites, North Korea puts its missiles on mobile launchers, some of which have treads to launch from off-road locations. Lately, North Korea has varied its launch sites, most likely to make it harder for the US to track and possibly intercept missiles.

    If the US wants to give you a bloody nose, nothing can stop it
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    U.N. Security Council poised to vote on tough new sanctions on N. Korea
    December 22, 2017 -- The U.N. Security Council is meeting Friday to vote on whether to impose new sanctions on North Korea, including sharply cutting limits on its imports of refined oil, forcing all North Koreans working overseas to return home within 12 months and cracking down on the country's shipping.
    The draft resolution circulated to all 15 council members Thursday wouldn't go as far as the toughest-ever sanctions that have been sought by the Trump administration, such as prohibiting all oil imports and freezing international assets of North Korea's government and its leader, Kim Jong Un. The resolution would cap North Korea's crude oil imports at 4 million barrels a year and limit its imports of refined oil products, including diesel and kerosene, to 500,000 barrels a year. That would be a nearly 90 percent cut in imported fuels that are key to North Korea's economy.

    The draft, obtained by CBS News and The Associated Press, would prohibit the export of food products, machinery, electrical equipment, earth and stones, wood and vessels from North Korea. And it would ban all countries from exporting industrial equipment, machinery, transportation vehicles and industrial metals to the country. The proposed sanctions are the Security Council's response to Pyongyang's test on Nov. 29 of its most powerful intercontinental ballistic missile yet, which the government said is capable of hitting anywhere on the U.S. mainland. It was North Korea's 20th launch of a ballistic missile this year and added to fears that the North will soon have a nuclear arsenal that could viably target the U.S. mainland. The United States drafted the resolution and reportedly negotiated it with China before circulating the final text to the rest of the council.

    The draft, if approved, would result in a significant decrease of income for the North Korean regime. The draft itself means China has come around to ratcheting up of pressure on Pyongyang, reports CBS News' Pamela Falk from the U.N. Separately, North Korea's foreign ministry said Friday that President Trump's newly-unveiled national security strategy is a "criminal document" that seeks the "total subordination of the whole world to the interests of the U.S.," the Reuters news agency reports. "This has fully revealed that 'America first policy' which the gang of Trump is crying out loudly about is nothing but the proclamation of aggression aimed at holding sway over the world according to its taste and at its own free will," a foreign ministry spokesman said, according to a statement released by state media outlet KCNA and cited by Reuters.

    The last U.N. resolution imposing sanctions on North Korea was adopted Sept. 11 in response to North Korea's sixth and strongest nuclear test explosion eight days earlier. U.S. Ambassador Nikki Haley said the Trump administration believed the new sanctions imposed at that time combined with previous measures would ban over 90 percent of North Korea's exports reported in 2016. Those sanctions prohibited North Korea from importing all natural gas liquids and condensates. It also banned all textile exports and prohibited any country from authorizing new work permits for North Korean workers -- two key sources of hard currency for the northeast Asian nation.

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