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Thread: Fiscal Cliff - Repiblicans are more to blame than Obama - 53% vs. 29%

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cigar View Post
    The Tech Boom never stopped ... ever hear of a Smart Device or Social Networking or Intelligent Navigation?

    Without the technological breakthroughs and hardware infrastructure that preceded ... we'd be in the dark-ages.

    If you don't believe me ... try contacting Staten Island
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dot-com_bubble


    What bubble do you live in ??
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    Quote Originally Posted by hanger4 View Post
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dot-com_bubble


    What bubble do you live in ??

    The one I'm personally involved in ... looks like you get all your technological expertise from Wikipedia.

    I wonder if you have the slightest clue how we're communication right now and how we're linked, and when was that link created and how it's evolved?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cigar View Post
    You've known my opinion for more than a week ... you even put me in the Hole for it, so how couldn't know.

    There is NO Fiscal Cliff ... and thus, there's no argument to be made.
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    You've known my opinion for more than a week
    Yes, you keep repeating it without rhyme or reason, therefore I do not know your opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cigar View Post
    The one I'm personally involved in ... looks like you get all your technological expertise from Wikipedia.


    I wonder if you have the slightest clue how we're communication right now and how we're linked, and when was that link created and how it's evolved?


    Irrelevant Cigar, there was a dotcom bubble during Clinton's admin. which spurred economic growth and the bubble burst at the end.


    Quite trying to divert from your erroneous suggestion that Clinton's economic policies were pristine when he benefited from something he had no control over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cigar View Post
    As the president and congressional leaders begin negotiations to avoid the “fiscal cliff” deadline at the end of the year, there is widespread public concern about the possible financial consequences. More say the automatic spending cuts and tax increases scheduled to take effect in January would have a major effect on the U.S. economy than on their own finances. But nearly identical majorities say the effect of the changes would be mostly negative for the economy (62%) and their personal financial situation (60%).

    The public is skeptical that President Obama and congressional Republicans will reach an agreement by the end of the year to avoid the fiscal cliff. About half (51%) say the two sides will not reach an agreement, while just 38% say they will. If no deal is reached, more say that congressional Republicans would be more to blame than President Obama (53% vs. 29%).

    The latest national survey by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press and The Washington Post, conducted Nov. 8-11, 2012, among 1,000 adults finds sharp partisan divisions over prospects for a deal to avoid the fiscal measures from automatically taking effect.

    Republicans are particularly skeptical: By a 66%-25% margin more think an agreement will not be reached. By comparison, Democrats are about as likely to expect a deal to be made (47%), as not (40%). Among independents, 51% do not think President Obama and Republicans and in Congress will come to an agreement, while 37% think this will happen.

    http://www.people-press.org/2012/11/...-consequences/
    Ok you have a poll but do you have any evidence they are doing more to create it than Obama? Obama even claimed credit for the idea after it passed.

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    If you doubt there's an American welfare state, you should read the new study by demographer Nicholas Eberstadt, whose blizzard of numbers demonstrates otherwise. A welfare state transfers income from some people to other people to improve the recipients' well-being. In 1935, these transfers were less than 3 percent of the economy; now they're almost 20 percent. That's $7,200 a year for every American, calculates Eberstadt. He says that nearly 40 percent of these transfers aim to relieve poverty (through Medicaid, food stamps, unemployment insurance and the like), while most of the rest goes to the elderly (mainly through Social Security and Medicare).

    By all means, let's avoid the "fiscal cliff": the $500 billion in tax increases and federal spending cuts scheduled for early 2013 that, if they occurred, might trigger a recession. But let's recognize that we still need to bring the budget into long-term balance. This can't be done only by higher taxes on the rich, which seem inevitable. Nor can it be done by deep cuts in defense and domestic "discretionary" programs (from highways to schools), which are already happening. It requires controlling the welfare state. In 2011, "payments for individuals," including health care, constituted 65 percent of federal spending, up from 21 percent in 1955. That's the welfare state.

    Yet, the subject is virtually taboo....
    @ It's the Welfare State, Stupid

    The very thing liberals think they won for, the welfare state, is the biggest problem driving us over the cliff.

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    I love how this says people have already decided who to blame no matter what happens.

    Obama could go on national TV and say he wants the Fiscal Cliff to happen and refuse to sign anything put before him and people still blame the GOP. Something is seriously wrong with this survey or the American people.

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    Deal, no deal, doesn't matter. Chris's reference is the bottom line. Simply too much check writing to the point that taxation of anyone or everyone cannot pay for it. I really favor giving these Democrat demagogues their soak the rich tax hikes because two things are going to happen: (1), they won't collect near as much as they think they're going to, and (2), it won't amount to a drop in the bucket against the ObamaDeficits.

    Giving them their tax hikes takes away their smoke screen. What are they going to hide behind once this is gone?

    As for the American people, they've degenerated into a bunch of entitlement-dependent, mal-educated fools who can only learn the lesson the hard way that money doesn't grow on government trees and you can't borrow your way to economic recovery or prosperity.

    Conservatives and the Republicans need to get out of the way and simply let the hard lesson that must be experienced, happen. Give Nancy back the gavel and go home. Leave your phone number and tell them to call when they're ready to wise up. Until then, you're wasting your time and just giving the ObamaDemagogues a convenient distraction and scapegoat.

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