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    Quote Originally Posted by Chloe View Post
    I'm not a registered democrat and I didn't vote for president Obama

    "But now I will , having met that bunch of tossers who reject him here plus meeting the charming Cary ."

    Smart girl that Chloe .

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    Do you know what is propping up the Mali "al Qaeda' ?
    That's what they say but when did it become our problem until they try something here? Are we going everywhere they show up? It's time for the US to step back and let others deal with them. Too many of our have been killed for what? Nothing, it's worse now than ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roadmaster View Post
    That's what they say but when did it become our problem until they try something here? Are we going everywhere they show up? It's time for the US to step back and let others deal with them. Too many of our have been killed for what? Nothing, it's worse now than ever.

    I am not completely opposed to that. However , "we" must be absolutely sure what we will be giving up .
    Territories .
    Safety of Companies and personnel working in places where we have no direct control .
    Natural resources , being pragmatic
    I suspect the US has so effed up matters globally in the last decade plus , that they cannot change directions in mid stream . ----- a bit like being in Afghanistan , realising it was a horrific blunder , but not being able to realistically get out totally in under 4 or 5 years .

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    Come on. Barack Obama is going to get us out of all those silly wars...oh, and close Guatanamo.

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    These are the two bits of information that struck me...

    Army Gen. Carter F. Ham, head of the U.S. Africa Command (AFRICOM), stood at a podium in Algeria and addressed the deteriorating security conditions in the neighboring country of Mali.
    (For those geographically-challenged, remember when you were a kid and people used to say, “that’s way out in Timbuktu”? Well, this is that place, literally).

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    According to investigative journalist Nick Turse, who spoke with Antiwar.com last week, the U.S. military has some stake —either with boots on the ground or through proxy operations —in more than a dozen African countries today. But aside from the generous shoe leather Turse and other reporters have expended to cast a light on“the U.S. Shadow Wars in Africa,” little is publicly known about the true extent of American military involvement, making the Victorian adage, “the Dark Continent” quite apropos.

    “There are these military interventions that are going on, unbeknownst to ordinary Americans,” Turse said. “They (military) are putting up infrastructure, they are building bases —although they recoil at that term — they are putting up this entire transportation system to move military hardware and resources… I think the moniker ‘shadow war’ kind of captures what is going on here — there is something happening, we can’t quite see it, but if you look closely enough it is there. With that much military manpower and hardware it’s hard to surmise it’s anything else.”

    “The first step, and necessary step is the re-establishment of legitimate government in Bamako,” Ham told the foreign press corps on Sept. 30.
    However, he added, “the one course of action that we are not considering is U.S. boots on the ground in Mali.”

    Then why, Gen. Ham, are you there?

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    Then why, Gen. Ham, are you there?
    He is there by orders the real question is why does al Qaeda continue to start wars? Why don't they stay in their own country?

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    Quote Originally Posted by roadmaster View Post
    He is there by orders the real question is why does al Qaeda continue to start wars? Why don't they stay in their own country?
    They are stateless. Militant Islam is a transnational movement.

    For the last 300 years wars have been fought between nation states. That all changed on 9-11, 2001. Now our laws (international, and national) ought to adapt to this reality.

    History has an answer for us, as it often does.

    Since Roman times parities (stateless actors) were considered to be- Hostis humani generis (enemies of mankind). The designation conveyed prosecution jurisdiction over any pirates, regardless of whether the pirate committed crimes inside a nation's jurisdiction. Some writers have attempted to apply this term to modern Islamists.
    Last edited by Peter1469; 01-19-2013 at 12:16 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    They are stateless. Militant Islam is a transnational movement.

    For the last 300 years wars have been fought between nation states. That all changed on 9-11, 2001. Now our laws (international, and national) ought to adapt to this reality.
    I agree and them also saying they are going to France and Europe. We are tired of them, they should stay in their own country where they like their laws and stop trying to enforce them on others but militant's run that part of the country in Mali so let them fight their own wars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roadmaster View Post
    I agree and them also saying they are going to France and Europe. We are tired of them, they should stay in their own country where they like their laws and stop trying to enforce them on others but militant's run that part of the country in Mali so let them fight their own wars.
    I added to my post while you responded.

    Europe should enact laws to prevent Muslim immigration. Unless they can narrowly tailor it to militants (not likely).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    I added to my post while you responded.

    Europe should enact laws to prevent Muslim immigration. Unless they can narrowly tailor it to militants (not likely).
    They already turn a blind eye to them just like us except they will meet their match if they start here.

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