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Thread: Let's take ALL the money from the Rich, then what?

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    "We grudge no man a fortune in civil life if it is honorably obtained and well used. It is not even enough that it should have been gained without doing damage to the community. We should permit it to be gained only so long as the gaining represents benefit to the community. This, I know, implies a policy of a far more active governmental interference with social and economic conditions in this country than we have yet had, but I think we have got to face the fact that such an increase in governmental control is now necessary. No man should receive a dollar unless that dollar has been fairly earned. Every dollar received should represent a dollar’s worth of service rendered-not gambling in stocks, but service rendered. The really big fortune, the swollen fortune, by the mere fact of its size, acquires qualities which differentiate it in kind as well as in degree from what is possessed by men of relatively small means. Therefore, I believe in a graduated income tax on big fortunes"
    --Teddy Roosevelt
    "Treat the earth well: it was not given to you by your parents, it was loaned to you by your children. We do not inherit the Earth from our Ancestors, we borrow it from our Children."
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    Quote Originally Posted by corrocamino View Post
    "There is no definition of fair share...."

    I think there is a commonsense definition of distribution of wealth within a society that is commensurate both with the overall health of the society in its totality and with the disparities in personal wealth that arise from the bell-shaped curve, to which Jefferson alluded with his "natural aristocracy". And I think that the Reagan-onwards distribution of wealth in the USA is far from such definition. And I think Jefferson, among others of his era, would be appalled by our present condition.
    Then please give it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nic34 View Post
    "We grudge no man a fortune in civil life if it is honorably obtained and well used. It is not even enough that it should have been gained without doing damage to the community. We should permit it to be gained only so long as the gaining represents benefit to the community. This, I know, implies a policy of a far more active governmental interference with social and economic conditions in this country than we have yet had, but I think we have got to face the fact that such an increase in governmental control is now necessary. No man should receive a dollar unless that dollar has been fairly earned. Every dollar received should represent a dollar’s worth of service rendered-not gambling in stocks, but service rendered. The really big fortune, the swollen fortune, by the mere fact of its size, acquires qualities which differentiate it in kind as well as in degree from what is possessed by men of relatively small means. Therefore, I believe in a graduated income tax on big fortunes"
    --Teddy Roosevelt
    Yes, indeed, the "fair" meme is old at least as progressive FDR.

    But you notice he too fails to define it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cigar View Post
    What was it when he left office?
    7.8%
    "Treat the earth well: it was not given to you by your parents, it was loaned to you by your children. We do not inherit the Earth from our Ancestors, we borrow it from our Children."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Yes, indeed, the "fair" meme is old at least as progressive FDR.

    But you notice he too fails to define it.
    The rich need there to be total confusion about what is fair. And to that end, promote confusion.

    If clarity should ensue, they would no longer be rich.

    I assume you are all rich?
    Come sit down beside me I said to myself
    And although it doesn't make sense
    I held my own hand as a small sign of trust
    And together I sat on the fence


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    Quote Originally Posted by Awryly View Post
    The rich need there to be total confusion about what is fair. And to that end, promote confusion.

    If clarity should ensue, they would no longer be rich.

    I assume you are all rich?
    Well then, end the confision here and now. What percentage of the tax burden should the so-called "rich" assume? Give us a number or STFU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Awryly View Post
    The rich need there to be total confusion about what is fair. And to that end, promote confusion.

    If clarity should ensue, they would no longer be rich.

    I assume you are all rich?
    By NZ standards, yes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Well then, end the confision here and now. What percentage of the tax burden should the so-called "rich" assume? Give us a number or STFU.
    Don't ask me. Ask Walmart workers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Awryly View Post
    The rich need there to be total confusion about what is fair. And to that end, promote confusion.

    If clarity should ensue, they would no longer be rich.

    I assume you are all rich?
    Clarify it, tell us how to determine what's fair, tell us what fair means.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Awryly View Post
    Don't ask me. Ask Walmart workers.
    Damn, here I thought you knew.

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