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Thread: Let's take ALL the money from the Rich, then what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Speaking of nothing, still refuse to tell us what "fair" is eh? Why is that, hairy little doggy got yer tongue?

    Move to the city, Countryboy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    You see folks, libs can't give the number they think is "fair", because to libs no amount of punishment is fair enough for those eeeeevil millionaires and billionaires who report gross revenues of $250,000+ on their tax returns.
    I don't know what the exact number should be but the very rich aren't hurting from the taxes they pay on their incomes because most of their money comes from investments.

    Millionaires and billionaires aren't evil but they do have advantages that the vast majority of Americans will never have when it comes to investing their money and making huge gains off of those investments. They can usually afford much better accountants that know exactly how to protect a millionaires money than your average accountant and because of that they will always have an unfortunate advantage just because of the privilege of having wealth to make more wealth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chloe View Post
    I don't know what the exact number should be but the very rich aren't hurting from the taxes they pay on their incomes because most of their money comes from investments.

    Millionaires and billionaires aren't evil but they do have advantages that the vast majority of Americans will never have when it comes to investing their money and making huge gains off of those investments. They can usually afford much better accountants that know exactly how to protect a millionaires money than your average accountant and because of that they will always have an unfortunate advantage just because of the privilege of having wealth to make more wealth.

    The problem is, of course, that the rich subvert public policy.

    Just look at the current kerfuffle in the UK where Starbucks, Google and Amazon are miraculously revealed to have been paying almost no tax .. legitimately ... for years.

    Corporations, including Romney's, do the same in the States.

    Why? Because they pay legislators to be kind to them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Awryly View Post
    The problem is, of course, that the rich subvert public policy.

    Just look at the current kerfuffle in the UK where Starbucks, Google and Amazon are miraculously revealed to have been paying almost no tax .. legitimately ... for years.

    Corporations, including Romney's, do the same in the States.

    Why? Because they pay legislators to be kind to them.
    Rather, because government is corrupt and open to being bought off.

    Man, in general, tends to take the easy way. Economic means are more difficult than political means. Thus man will tend to take the political means if it is available. This is true whether it be social or corporate welfare.

    Which takes us back to democracy and one of the reasons it's the worst form of government, as per Alexander Tytler: "A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Rather, because government is corrupt and open to being bought off.

    Man, in general, tends to take the easy way. Economic means are more difficult than political means. Thus man will tend to take the political means if it is available. This is true whether it be social or corporate welfare.

    Which takes us back to democracy and one of the reasons it's the worst form of government, as per Alexander Tytler: "A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship."
    How would governments become corrupt if it were not for people who seek to corrupt them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Awryly View Post
    Move to the city, Countryboy.
    Why, will you suddenly become forthcoming and candid if I do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Why, will you suddenly become forthcoming and candid if I do?
    I am surprised to think there are who think those qualities are not already obvious in my demeanour and attitude.

    What do you want to be forthcoming and candid about?

    Don't be shy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Awryly View Post
    How would governments become corrupt if it were not for people who seek to corrupt them?
    Duh, of course it takes both, that's what I explained. But man is man, it's his nature to seek the easier path, but he becomes corrupt only with power, and that is the state, government, especially democratic government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Duh, of course it takes both, that's what I explained. But man is man, it's his nature to seek the easier path, but he becomes corrupt only with power, and that is the state, government, especially democratic government.
    You are merely displaying your ignorance of (a) the meaning of government and (b) the records of most democratic governments.

    But, given that you live in a country run by a democratic-in-name only government, that is to be expected.
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    They certainly are democratic-in-name-only, in reality they're more like communist.
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