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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Why do Navy warships keep running into things?

    Apparently the bridge crews these days are too focused on their electronics and nobody is actually looking outside.



    Read the rest at the link.
    When you say electronics, do you mean cellphone texting, etc?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gamewell45 View Post
    When you say electronics, do you mean cellphone texting, etc?
    The electronic equipment on the bridge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    The electronic equipment on the bridge.
    Ahhh gotcha. Thanks
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    US Ship: Please divert your course 0.5 degrees to the south to avoid a collision.
    CND reply: Recommend you divert your course 15 degrees to the South to avoid a collision.
    US Ship: This is the Captain of a US Navy Ship. I say again, divert your course.
    CND reply: No. I say again, you divert YOUR course!
    US Ship: THIS IS THE AIRCRAFT CARRIER USS CORAL SEA*, WE ARE A LARGE WARSHIP OF THE US NAVY. DIVERT YOUR COURSE NOW!!
    CND reply: This is a lighthouse. Your call.
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    Great article. It was bugging the $#@!e out of me why we couldn't see another vessel coming. Now I know - no one was "looking'. Now I'm curious to know whether something happened to prompt the US Navy not to use the AIS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trish View Post
    Great article. It was bugging the $#@!e out of me why we couldn't see another vessel coming. Now I know - no one was "looking'. Now I'm curious to know whether something happened to prompt the US Navy not to use the AIS.

    They think they need to be in stealth mode. Which makes sense in the open ocean, but not in confined sea lanes with hundreds of other vessels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    They think they need to be in stealth mode. Which makes sense in the open ocean, but not in confined sea lanes with hundreds of other vessels.
    You can't teach common sense. Some lessons are painful - hopefully this practice will be corrected. Again, good article.

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    One big mistake comes from a lot of little ones...

    Navy Admiral: Catastrophic Collisions Result From Accumulation of Small Errors
    September 20, 2017 | - Navy officials are not ready to say what is causing U.S. Navy destroyers to collide with merchant vessels, but at a hearing on Tuesday, they spoke in general terms about the human factor: "These catastrophes really result from the accumulation of a number of small errors that build up and line up eventually to create a sequence that results in an incident of this magnitude," Admiral John Richardson told the Senate Armed Services Committee.
    Last month, ten sailors died when the USS John S. McCain collided with an oil tanker in a shipping channel off the coast of Singapore. And in June, seven sailors died when the USS Fitzgerald ran into a cargo ship in the Sea of Japan. "Every boat in the Gulf of Maine has a radar on it that tells us when there's another boat within a mile or two miles or five miles -- an alarm goes off, it shows up on your GPS," Sen. Angus King of Maine told Richardson. "How in the world does a billion dollar destroyer not know that there's a freighter closing in on it?" King asked. "Sir, (we) got the same questions," Richardson replied. "It's very hard to understand, with the sophisticated systems onboard these warships, that we'd let a ship get in that close, to the point of collision."

    King also asked about the radars on the merchant ships: "Is there some technology that they couldn't see us?" "It wouldn't surprise anybody, I think, that we design our warships to have a lower radar cross-section, some designed to be very low," Richardson replied. "So that degree of stealth makes us more effective from a warfighting standpoint. But that also imposes a burden, if you will, on the crew of that (U.S.) ship to understand that they are low-observable and they may not be as easily seen as something that is as large as a destroyer. They'll have a radar cross-section of a ship that is much smaller."

    Since the recent collisions, the Navy has directed its ships to turn on their Automatic Identification Systems, particularly in heavily trafficked areas, so other ships will know the U.S. Navy is in the area. Richardson also explained that for safety reasons, there are many redundancies on the bridge of an advanced Navy destroyer: "The watch team will be on the order of ten people. About four of those will be officers -- the officer of the deck, the junior officer of the deck, officer of the watch, conning officer. There'll be two lookouts, there'll be a quartermaster. And so there's plenty of people involved in this seamanship and navigation on the bridge. "They're supported by a team in the combat information center, which is also looking at electronic displays; they don't have windows, but they're backing them up," Richardson said.

    And with respect to the technology, all critical systems, such as navigation, steering, and propulsion, all have back-up systems," Richardson added. "So there's a lot of redundancy built into these systems because they are so fundamental to safety. So now you get a sense...how could all of that break down so catastrophically to result in a collision of this magnitude? And that's why we have to do the thorough investigation.

    https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article...n-small-errors

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    They need to follow the established "rules of the road" for shipping lanes.
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    It's getting crowded out on the seas.

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