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    Quote Originally Posted by Bethere View Post
    See #6.

    Which minority here is under siege and is in need of protection and how is that relative to the VIP system?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahuyaman View Post
    If the VIP system is going to remain in place, I don't care how they are selected.



    I don't know which minority you think is endangered or under siege or how the VIP system addresses that.
    I think it could use a little tweaking. How about electing a couple of members? One liberal and one conservative. Make sure the minority has representation on the mod team as well.

    I don't want this to become a thread about me, and it will. So I am out of here. If anyone wants to talk more? Feel free to pm.
    Last edited by Bethere; 08-31-2017 at 03:04 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmyz View Post
    "Protect the minority" from what. Who is the minority? Why is "protection" needed on a political discussion board? Does the perceived minority need "protection" from words or ideas counter to theirs? That does not seem like how a board should be.
    By that he means trolls like him.

    Eddie, del, bo, those people temp banned basically.

    tPF has never found a way to deal with trolls and they are pretty much ruining the forum, chasing off or otherwise keeping quality members away.

    LW trolls are protected because they are LW, the RW trolls were banned a long time ago.

    Bottom line, it's tine for tPF to take out the trash and attract better members.

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    Just get rid of the VIPs... Why create the clique in the first place?
    I find your lack of faith...disturbing...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bethere View Post
    I think it could use a little tweaking. How about electing a couple of members? One liberal and one conservative. Make sure the minority has representation on the mod team as well.

    I don't want this to become a thread about me, and it will. So I am out of here. If anyone wants to talk more? Feel free to pm.

    How does one one determine whether the minority is liberal or conservative?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmyz View Post
    Aside from reading other member's opinions about specific VIPs and the VIP system in general I've not had the existence of a VIP forum or specific VIP members overtly affect me on tPF. I do understand they direct policy changes and probably have input in membership punishment.

    I do second Cletus' idea that VIPs elected by members is a good idea. We could have a length of term and a good rotation of VIPs.

    Do VIPs resign or are they elected out by the VIP membership?

    Its difficult to opine on a sub-membership who's inner workings are secret.
    For the most part, VIPs have resigned in the past. There are circumstances where they can be removed, though.
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    As a former VIP, I can tell you the VIP system contributes very little to the forum in terms of benefits. For whatever reason, certain people, when they become a VIP, let the title go to their head. They forget they are just a member of a political forum, like the rest of us, and begin to assume an air of privilege and superiority. I've also seen blatant partisanship influence how certain VIP members conduct themselves behind the scenes, which has real consequences for the forum. We can see it in the ratio of conservatives banned to liberals banned since August 2016 (when the MODS started posting that data). As far as I'm concerned, there is simply no need for a VIP system. The MODS in consultation with ADMIN are more than adequate for the purposes of managing the forum. And the MODS tend to be less influenced by the petty grudges and partisanship that characterizes the daily reality of the forum. In short, the VIP system is a drain on the forum and a waste of everyone's time. The people who are most in favor of keeping it are the people who like the privilege and feeling of superiority it affords them. That is not a good reason to keep it around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hal Jordan View Post
    ...What are your general thoughts on the VIP system?

    What ways would be beneficial for improving member input on forum management? Examples would include a suggestion box, Town Halls, ease in becoming VIPs....
    I would not favor having VIP's elected by the membership at large. I would support a system where admin announces someone is under consideration as a new VIP's, then solicits input from the members for a few days. The final decision is based on the feedback received.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cletus View Post
    Have the VIPs selected by the general membership.
    How would you suggest that be done? This question is for the others that suggested a more democratic method of selecting VIPs as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bethere View Post
    Whatever you guys decide you need to 1) introduce a democratic element into a decidedly undemocratic process, and 2) protect the minority , which at the moment is endangered/seriously under siege.

    Thanks for listening.
    As I asked Cletus, how would you suggest making it more democratic?

    Could you elaborate on your second point?
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