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    Quote Originally Posted by IMPress Polly View Post
    I wouldn't say that either we, or especially Europe, belong in the exceptional category. In the UK, for example, it's estimated that 40% of the female population has been sexually assaulted before, while it's fully half of Sweden's female population!

    The United States has the world's lowest rate of sexual assault and domestic violence against women (mostly thanks to our Violence Against Women Act, according to the United Nations; the VAWA provides battered women with shelters and guaranteed legal representation), but those two things combined have impacted about 1 in 5 women even here, police estimates suggest.

    As a side note, many American liberals envy Europe's comparative sexual liberalism; the levels and commonality of sexualization (on TV, on magazine covers, in advertising, etc.) that their female populations "get" to endure. It looks to me like that excess of sexual liberalism leads to higher levels of callous indifference to sexual violence against women in particular.
    We most certainly are exceptional compared to most of the world. There will always be people that do bad things, we prosecute and punish them in this country. Other countries, like most of the middle east there are rarely consequences and in many other countries.

    Very few if any countries have our standards when it comes to sexual abuse
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    Quote Originally Posted by IMPress Polly View Post
    A new study by the Korean Institute of Criminology reveals the extent of what they're up against. Among the findings of their study were that 79.7% of men admitted either physically or psychologically abusing their partner while dating. Of those who said they had done so, 71% said that they had restricted their girlfriend's access to friends or family members, while 37.9% admitted sexual harassment and 22.4% said they had used physical violence. The government and police have been widely criticized for their hitherto indifferent attitudes toward dating abuse. For example, in South Korea, stalking is punishable by a fine of just $90, assuming the police care to issue it in the first place.

    According to the World Economic Forum, South Korea ranked in 116th place out of 144 countries evaluated in its annual Global Gender Gap Report for 2016 in overall gender equality; just three positions ahead of Qatar. It was estimated that South Korean women overall are treated as 64.9% the equals of their male counterparts. (According to the same report, American women overall are currently treated as 72.2% the equals of our male counterparts, for further perspective.)
    So not 79.5% or 79.73%

    One can tell it is a kook study by the exaggerated precision of the made up results.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    The contention appears to be that Western men shy away from beating their women because of the VAWA. Ethereal is just saying that's absurd.
    Ethereal is only saying it is absurd because it is absurd. :-)
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    Ethereal wrote:
    And it would make sense that a progressive like Polly would attempt to attribute this lower rate of violence in America to a government program as opposed to the underlying culture.
    A careful reading of post #4 reveals that I consider both VAWA and the particular culture of this country to be factors in the fact that our rate of domestic violence is the lowest on Earth, but just on different levels:


    "I wouldn't say that either we, or especially Europe, belong in the exceptional category. In the UK, for example, it's estimated that 40% of the female population has been sexually assaulted before, while it's fully half of Sweden's female population!

    The United States has the world's lowest rate of sexual assault and domestic violence against women (mostly thanks to our Violence Against Women Act, according to the United Nations; the VAWA provides battered women with shelters and guaranteed legal representation), but those two things combined have impacted about 1 in 5 women even here, police estimates suggest.

    As a side note, many American liberals envy Europe's comparative sexual liberalism; the levels and commonality of sexualization (on TV, on magazine covers, in advertising, etc.) that their female populations "get" to endure. It looks to me like that excess of sexual liberalism leads to higher levels of callous indifference to sexual violence against women in particular."



    To be perhaps more clear: The United Nations (not just me!) attributes the rapid decline in our rates of domestic violence in America over the last 20ish years principally to the Violence Against Women Act. Thus there is a direct relationship between that policy and the drop-off. I believe that the Violence Against Women Act is a product of our particular culture in this individual country, and thus that the matter of culture has an indirect relationship to the drop-off. That's the way I see it. Culture changes over time though, and not always in good ways! I believe that the growing influence of pornography in American society could undermine the sentiment that led to VAWA's creation and generate a broad complacency toward the idea of repealing it and that worries me.

    A careful reading of post #4 also makes it clear that I don't think that our rate is acceptably low either though. I mean that's personal for me, as I think we all know by now. The whole world needs a LOT of improvement in this area.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IMPress Polly View Post
    To be perhaps more clear: The United Nations (not just me!) attributes the rapid decline in our rates of domestic violence in America over the last 20ish years principally to the Violence Against Women Act. Thus there is a direct relationship between that policy and the drop-off. I believe that the Violence Against Women Act is a product of our particular culture in this individual country, and thus that the matter of culture has an indirect relationship to the drop-off. That's the way I see it.
    Imagine that, a big government institution that milks American taxpayers believes a government program is responsible. It is completely unexpected that a big government organization would believe a big government program is responsible.
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    MisterVeritis wrote:
    Imagine that, a big government institution that milks American taxpayers believes a government program is responsible. It is completely unexpected that a big government organization would believe a big government program is responsible.


    Yes well some of us believe that basic public safety to be a worthwhile investment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IMPress Polly View Post

    Yes well some of us believe that basic public safety to be a worthwhile investment.
    The United Nations plays no role in basic public safety. I thought someone should tell you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    I don't doubt that the commentaries of Romans and Christian scholars are important, but I tend to weight them against competing theories of hunter-gatherer societies that portray them as polyamorous and egalitarian. Here's a pretty good summary of the debate from The Guardian: Equality and polyamory: why early humans weren't The Flintstones

    I don't want to get too far afield, so I'll just leave it at that. That said, I think we both agree that the reason why western societies like America tend to have lower rates of violence towards women is almost exclusively cultural and has very little to do with some obscure government program.
    Honestly, I take all cultural anthropology with a grain of salt. Too many Margaret Meads out there. In any case, the Indo-Europeans were pastoralists from Neolithic Eurasia (their origin is arguable) not hunter gatherers from our primordial past. Virtually every contemporary European language is ultimately derived from PIE ) Proto-Indo-European). Their cultural impact extended as far as south Asia but was particularly significant in Europe. All I'm saying is that polygamy has never been widely practiced in Europe whether we're talking about highly sophisticated cultures (Greece and Rome) or loosely organized tribal cultures like the ancient Slavs, Celts and Germans. I think it's reasonable to make a connection between monogamy and a higher social status for females for two reasons: 1) we tend to find monogamy where women have relative equality with men and 2) the idea of polygamy seems to suggest that women are more or less a commodity.

    We definitely agree on that. Historically, a greater respect for women existed and exists today. That's a fact We're just discussing the possible causes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IMPress Polly View Post
    A careful reading of post #4 reveals that I consider both VAWA and the particular culture of this country to be factors in the fact that our rate of domestic violence is the lowest on Earth, but just on different levels:


    "I wouldn't say that either we, or especially Europe, belong in the exceptional category. In the UK, for example, it's estimated that 40% of the female population has been sexually assaulted before, while it's fully half of Sweden's female population!

    The United States has the world's lowest rate of sexual assault and domestic violence against women (mostly thanks to our Violence Against Women Act, according to the United Nations; the VAWA provides battered women with shelters and guaranteed legal representation), but those two things combined have impacted about 1 in 5 women even here, police estimates suggest.

    As a side note, many American liberals envy Europe's comparative sexual liberalism; the levels and commonality of sexualization (on TV, on magazine covers, in advertising, etc.) that their female populations "get" to endure. It looks to me like that excess of sexual liberalism leads to higher levels of callous indifference to sexual violence against women in particular."



    To be perhaps more clear: The United Nations (not just me!) attributes the rapid decline in our rates of domestic violence in America over the last 20ish years principally to the Violence Against Women Act. Thus there is a direct relationship between that policy and the drop-off. I believe that the Violence Against Women Act is a product of our particular culture in this individual country, and thus that the matter of culture has an indirect relationship to the drop-off. That's the way I see it. Culture changes over time though, and not always in good ways! I believe that the growing influence of pornography in American society could undermine the sentiment that led to VAWA's creation and generate a broad complacency toward the idea of repealing it and that worries me.

    A careful reading of post #4 also makes it clear that I don't think that our rate is acceptably low either though. I mean that's personal for me, as I think we all know by now. The whole world needs a LOT of improvement in this area.
    Polly, how did the UN determine this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    The United Nations plays no role in basic public safety. I thought someone should tell you.
    I'm curious as to how they made this determination.
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