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    Thirty years of hurricanes

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    Hurricanes are changes in weather, not climate.
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    shhhh, damn chris do you want to blow up another liberal talking point, I mean they already lost russia and Trumps a nazi because he dared to say ANTIFA is just as much to blame.

    Cmon be kind they have to something to cling to
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    Just being empirical.
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    Climate change could potentially impact it, but basic science can mostly explain the patterns and reasons why hurricanes like Irma become so strong. It also is not that unusual to have 3 hurricanes lined up the way they are (Katia, Irma and Jose). I watched a meteorologist explain it last night, and explain about other seasons from the past 20 years that have had identical or even worse situations. He has become a YouTube sensation because he actually explained it without the "Oh my God we're all going to die" rhetoric coming from the major media outlets.

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    CNN is calling Iram a "nuclear hurricane." lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adelaide View Post
    Climate change could potentially impact it, but basic science can mostly explain the patterns and reasons why hurricanes like Irma become so strong. It also is not that unusual to have 3 hurricanes lined up the way they are (Katia, Irma and Jose). I watched a meteorologist explain it last night, and explain about other seasons from the past 20 years that have had identical or even worse situations. He has become a YouTube sensation because he actually explained it without the "Oh my God we're all going to die" rhetoric coming from the major media outlets.
    Indeen, climate change probably does impact it, but the data doesn't show it, unless perhaps a lot of heavy duty statistical analysis is thrown at it. On the face of it, though, there's little difference in frequency, duration, or wind intensity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
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    Hurricanes are changes in weather, not climate.
    Climate is a statistic of weather. Saying a hurricane is weather and not climate is like saying algebra isn't math.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Arrow View Post
    Climate is a statistic of weather. Saying a hurricane is weather and not climate is like saying algebra isn't math.
    Climate is a statistic of weather, what does that even mean?

    I think most get what I mean without tossing a bunch of semantics at it.

    Weather is short term, climate long. Climate change is reflected in weather change, as Ade said, but the opposite is not so.

    "The difference between weather and climate is a measure of time. Weather is what conditions of the atmosphere are over a short period of time, and climate is how the atmosphere "behaves" over relatively long periods of time.

    "When we talk about climate change, we talk about changes in long-term averages of daily weather."

    @ https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/n...e_weather.html

    The point is a single hurricane, or even hurricane season is not climate change as some claim.
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    So far as I know the climate on earth has never stopped changing.

    I guess some flat-eathers may disagree.
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    Here's the problem with claiming any weather event is climate change.

    CLIMATE CHANGE DENIAL SHOULD BE A CRIME

    The author exclaims:

    Hurricane Harvey has drowned the paved, populous sprawl of Houston to an extent that, to most Americans, is all but inconceivable. Our fourth-largest city is now a sunken, subdivided ghost ship. Tens of billions of dollars of damage done. Countless homes, the vast majority uninsured, lost. Thirty-eight people killed (so far).
    In such a storm’s wake, we are often reminded that it’s time to band together, to persevere, and to rebuild. Now we are also reminded, correctly, that this is what climate change looks like. These are the two guiding mantras of modern natural disaster recovery: Come together; global warming is here and now and we'd best get to work. Neither is sufficient.
    He calls for justice!

    Scientists knew a disaster like Harvey was coming. Those in power who refused to listen — who refused to use the best available data to do their jobs of protecting their constituents from disaster — should be held accountable. Mike Talbott’s department could have acted on sound evidence and saved lives. They did not. They repeatedly favored development over public safety, going so far as to allow 7,000 homes to be built in low-lying, flood-vulnerable areas since 2010. It is impossible to determine how many have died as a result of any official's refusal to appropriately prepare the city for disaster, but there is little doubt some of the blame for the scale of this calamity is theirs. The Washington Post generously calls it “ignorance.” But it's high time to start taking this pointed refusal to prepare, this refusal to observe the basic tenets of science seriously — and call it what it is: Negligence. Criminal negligence, even.
    He admits climate change is a wicked problem:

    Obviously, climate change is fueled by many sources, and is made such a “wicked problem,” as scientists, analysts and even the World Bank have termed it, by its vast complexity....
    Then simply claims the storm is evidence of climate change:

    The enormity of that storm, the epic scale of its tragedy, the organic wrath of its winds, rains, and floods, and our penchant for carving heroic man vs nature narratives out of the rubble make the notion of assigning specific blame feel unthinkable. This storm was a force of nature, a capital T tragedy—who can you blame for something like that? Not only does it seem impossible, given its scale, but petty, even insensitive. Hurricanes happen.

    The data in the OP begs to differ.
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