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    Victor Davis Hanson

    The other night, Fox News featured the (quite trenchant) political and philosophical analyst, Victor Davis Hanson.

    Hanson noted something of considerable significance, I believe.

    Basically (and I am paraphrasing), he said the following:

    When some groups (as a whole) fail to succeed in America, there are three theoretical reasons:

    (1) These groups just lack the native intelligence to succeed.

    (2) These groups have rejected "bourgeois" American values--values that include patriotism, a hard-work ethic, and deferring childrearing until after marriage--and are therefore paying the price.

    (3) There is systemic bigotry that is keeping down some groups.

    He noted that the Politically Correct Class unanimously endorses #3--and rejects the others out of hand.

    Personally, I gravitate strongly toward #2.

    Thoughts?

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    It is interesting that you started this thread as I was gonna start a similar one.

    My basic premise was that groups #1, #2, and #3 will wake up one day and find themselves unsuccessful and will look for someone to blame. And the blame will fall on those who are successful.

    Look at Hillary. She didn't lose the election because of herself, it was someone else's fault.

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    I'd go with #2 as well.

    What I've seen in this area, San Antonio, with Hispanics, many of them, is usually the first generation is resistant, but they don't know the culture and the language. By the second generation, they accept the new culture and work their way up into it. The third generation knows nothing else, they've become assimmilated.
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    Racist thought at its finest under the covers. "Racism is not about how you look, it is about how people assign meaning to how you look." Robin D.G. Kelley
    Personally I consider Hansen a hack thinker, but that's me.

    "In my experience with the alt-right, I encountered a surprisingly common narrative: Alt-right supporters did not, for the most part, come from overtly racist families. Alt-right media platforms have actually been pushing this meme aggressively in recent months. Far from defending the ideas and institutions they inherited, the alt-right—which is overwhelmingly a movement of white millennials—forcefully condemns their parents’ generation. They do so because they do not believe their parents are racist enough."

    http://www.theamericanconservative.c...u-think-it-is/


    https://bostonreview.net/class-inequ...-choice-theory

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    Quote Originally Posted by pjohns View Post
    The other night, Fox News featured the (quite trenchant) political and philosophical analyst, Victor Davis Hanson.

    Hanson noted something of considerable significance, I believe.

    Basically (and I am paraphrasing), he said the following:

    When some groups (as a whole) fail to succeed in America, there are three theoretical reasons:

    (1) These groups just lack the native intelligence to succeed.

    (2) These groups have rejected "bourgeois" American values--values that include patriotism, a hard-work ethic, and deferring childrearing until after marriage--and are therefore paying the price.

    (3) There is systemic bigotry that is keeping down some groups.

    He noted that the Politically Correct Class unanimously endorses #3--and rejects the others out of hand.

    Personally, I gravitate strongly toward #2.

    Thoughts?
    In what way does patriotism impact how successful you are?
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    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    Racist thought at its finest under the covers. "Racism is not about how you look, it is about how people assign meaning to how you look." Robin D.G. Kelley
    Personally I consider Hansen a hack thinker, but that's me.

    "In my experience with the alt-right, I encountered a surprisingly common narrative: Alt-right supporters did not, for the most part, come from overtly racist families. Alt-right media platforms have actually been pushing this meme aggressively in recent months. Far from defending the ideas and institutions they inherited, the alt-right—which is overwhelmingly a movement of white millennials—forcefully condemns their parents’ generation. They do so because they do not believe their parents are racist enough."

    http://www.theamericanconservative.c...u-think-it-is/


    https://bostonreview.net/class-inequ...-choice-theory

    "...MacLean does have quite a lot to say to economists that they do not already know and, given the tone of the book, that they are unlikely to believe solely on her authority. Namely, that foundational elements of their field arose out of a backlash to both the New Deal and the civil rights movement. Each of those political watersheds was built on the public pressure brought by small-d democratic social movements—movements that forced the government to intervene against the interests of a wealthy elite in order to deconstruct the existing hierarchy."

    https://bostonreview.net/class-inequ...harlottesville


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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Arrow View Post
    In what way does patriotism impact how successful you are?
    "Bourgeois" values--which include patriotism (one cannot merely pick and choose here)--are congenial to success in America.

    The other two values mentioned--i.e. a hard-work ethic and deferring childrearing until after marriage--are just more obviously tied to success in America.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pjohns View Post
    "Bourgeois" values--which include patriotism (one cannot merely pick and choose here)--are congenial to success in America.

    The other two values mentioned--i.e. a hard-work ethic and deferring childrearing until after marriage--are just more obviously tied to success in America.
    Patriotism is not a bourgeois value, that suggests that only the bourgeois are patriots (which is, of course, ridiculous).

    Regardless, you didn't answer my question, merely restated your original claim. How is patriotism congenial to success in America?
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    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    Racist thought at its finest under the covers. "Racism is not about how you look, it is about how people assign meaning to how you look." Robin D.G. Kelley
    Personally I consider Hansen a hack thinker, but that's me.

    "In my experience with the alt-right, I encountered a surprisingly common narrative: Alt-right supporters did not, for the most part, come from overtly racist families. Alt-right media platforms have actually been pushing this meme aggressively in recent months. Far from defending the ideas and institutions they inherited, the alt-right—which is overwhelmingly a movement of white millennials—forcefully condemns their parents’ generation. They do so because they do not believe their parents are racist enough."

    http://www.theamericanconservative.c...u-think-it-is/


    https://bostonreview.net/class-inequ...-choice-theory

    "...MacLean does have quite a lot to say to economists that they do not already know and, given the tone of the book, that they are unlikely to believe solely on her authority. Namely, that foundational elements of their field arose out of a backlash to both the New Deal and the civil rights movement. Each of those political watersheds was built on the public pressure brought by small-d democratic social movements—movements that forced the government to intervene against the interests of a wealthy elite in order to deconstruct the existing hierarchy."

    https://bostonreview.net/class-inequ...harlottesville
    Is he in the right thread?
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