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    I see an indirect violation of free speech.

    "Congress shall make no law ....abridging the freedom of speech...."

    Congress should not be able to legislate a law that creates a bureaucratic position that abridges free speech.

    As Madison wronte in Federalist 51, "If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary. In framing a government which is to be administered by men over men, the great difficulty lies in this: you must first enable the government to control the governed; and in the next place oblige it to control itself."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crepitus View Post
    Well let's see.... he has advocated violence at his rallies, offered to pay the legal bills of people who beat up protesters on his behalf, hinted that the "2nd amendment people" should eliminate his rivals, and other things I'm probably forgetting. Now his proxy is calling for someone to be fired. How long do you think it will be before they are calling for arrests?
    So, the answer to my question is: No, but TDS extrapolates to incarceration? Though I am uncomfortable with what I perceive to be the chilling of free speech, I didn't read that as 'calling' for her to be fired. Why do you leftists always jump to the next illogical conclusion? I think we can all agree that if someone had said that about Chairman Maobama that there would be plenty of 'calling' for firing and that ESPN would've terminated whoever said that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crepitus View Post
    When she does it from behind the podium in the press secretary persona it carries the weight of an official white house position, not a person opinion. That makes it a 1st amendment violation.
    I do think it has the potential to chill free speech, yes. The government can't do that. Will you join me in calling for further investigation into the intent, scheme, plan, result of how withholding or "slow walking" conservative tax exempt applications had the potential to chill conservative free speech in the run-up to the 2012 election? I love the sudden adherence to the principles of non-chilling free speech.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    I do think it has the potential to chill free speech, yes. The government can't do that. Will you join me in calling for further investigation into the intent, scheme, plan, result of how withholding or "slow walking" conservative tax exempt applications had the potential to chill conservative free speech in the run-up to the 2012 election? I love the sudden adherence to the principles of non-chilling free speech.
    ...or how about the government chilling free speech by arresting the producer of the Mohammad video in the middle of the night with M-16's drawn with all the MSM in tow? How Chairman Maobama's administration chilled free speech? We haven't had any more of those nasty Mohammad videos, now have we?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    ...or how about the government chilling free speech by arresting the producer of the Mohammad video in the middle of the night with M-16's drawn with all the MSM in tow? How Chairman Maobama's administration chilled free speech? We haven't had any more of those nasty Mohammad videos, now have we?
    ...or how about when all the D politicians in the legislative branch attempted to chill the speech of the Tea Party?
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    Quote Originally Posted by resister View Post
    Like you guys like to say, free speech is not without consequences, besides Sanders was simply expressing her opinion, in accordance with the 1st!
    But then you have this as well.

    http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-pol...-espn-reporter
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    Quote Originally Posted by ripmeister View Post
    From the article: "In short, Sanders doesn't appear to have broken any laws with her statement, but it was quite bizarre for her to call for the dismissal of a Trump critic."
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    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    I do think it has the potential to chill free speech, yes. The government can't do that. Will you join me in calling for further investigation into the intent, scheme, plan, result of how withholding or "slow walking" conservative tax exempt applications had the potential to chill conservative free speech in the run-up to the 2012 election? I love the sudden adherence to the principles of non-chilling free speech.
    I have said all along "investigate them all. If they are guilty throw the book at them." I make no claims of being "nonpartisan" but criminals need to go regardless of party.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    So, the answer to my question is: No, but TDS extrapolates to incarceration? Though I am uncomfortable with what I perceive to be the chilling of free speech, I didn't read that as 'calling' for her to be fired. Why do you leftists always jump to the next illogical conclusion? I think we can all agree that if someone had said that about Chairman Maobama that there would be plenty of 'calling' for firing and that ESPN would've terminated whoever said that.
    TDS is the descriptor for people who forgive trump no matter what outrageous thing he does or says.

    Yes, I extrapolated based on the pattern of previous behavior. He has already called for the arrest of political rivals along with the other things I listed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Or sick the IRS on them like under O.
    We have Obama's example of using government agencies to punish political enemies. Since we are no longer bound by the Constitution I say let's go. President Trump should follow Barack Hussein O's example and use every federal agency to harm his political opponents.
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.


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