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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicole View Post
    OK? So you say they didn't see an uptick. I don't know one way or another, you didn't provide evidence of that. I agreed with you, it's counterintuitive to accept that making drugs more available does not increase drug use. We're talking intuition. Not government reports.

    I can accept there are 208 because Obama did not want to commit troops to Syria. That makes sense because some move in and others move out according to their orders and where they are in their enlistment. They aren't all on the same timing.
    Don't wait for me to link something, do a search. Try to find some modern example where a stricter war on drugs has made things better not worse. Then research the other way , which does have real world evidence of success. Believe it or not there is truly no intellectual argument. Decriminilization is pitching an empirical shutout. However, emotion, and special interest keep drugs highly illegal and keep big pharma, Segrams , Morticians, Prisions , government growers , cartels and street gangs happy. If the war on drugs was going to work it would have. But ask yourself how 40 years of tough drug policy has decreased access to drugs? Of course it hasn't. Despite my hatred of murderous prohibition I respect the Constitution enough to admit that the states have a right to make drug policy within their borders , but know enough to relaize that the feds have no such right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicole View Post
    OK? So you say they didn't see an uptick. I don't know one way or another, you didn't provide evidence of that. I agreed with you, it's counterintuitive to accept that making drugs more available does not increase drug use. We're talking intuition. Not government reports.

    I can accept there are 208 because Obama did not want to commit troops to Syria. That makes sense because some move in and others move out according to their orders and where they are in their enlistment. They aren't all on the same timing.

    BTW, there are many who claim Obama even defended war in his "Peace Prize " acceptance speech. Is that untrue? Because he then went out and made 8 years of war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cletus View Post
    That is only because Congress prevented most of it.
    Not enough though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahuyaman View Post
    Not enough though.
    Very true.
    “Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in pursuit of justice is no virtue.” - Barry Goldwater

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    Quote Originally Posted by stjames1_53 View Post
    you tell me. That was what Hillary was offering. More free healthcare, more illegal aliens, Rights for illegal aliens, open borders......
    meh. You said it yourself, you are in it for you and yours, not the rest of us
    I don't have free health care. I pay a lot for mine because I can afford it. I voted for Obama and got the ACA. Imperfect but millions who were not covered, had the opportunity to get coverage. And those who had pre-existing conditions could get coverage. And on and on. Free stuff for me? No. Free stuff for mine? No, they all pay but because of Obamacare, they have the opportunity to pay where they didn't before.

    So, you were wrong about free stuff. And the rest has nothing to do with anyone getting anything free.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicole View Post
    I don't have free health care. I pay a lot for mine because I can afford it. I voted for Obama and got the ACA. Imperfect but millions who were not covered, had the opportunity to get coverage. And those who had pre-existing conditions could get coverage. And on and on. Free stuff for me? No. Free stuff for mine? No, they all pay but because of Obamacare, they have the opportunity to pay where they didn't before.

    So, you were wrong about free stuff. And the rest has nothing to do with anyone getting anything free.
    Obamacare is nothing more than marxist wealth redistribution hiding in a cloak of healthcare mandates.
    "An army, great in space, may offer opposition in a brief span of time.
    One man, brief in space, must spread his opposition
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    to have a chance of succeeding"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalkin View Post
    Obamacare is nothing more than marxist wealth redistribution hiding in a cloak of healthcare mandates.
    I call it an unmitigated train wreck, what with my old lady's botched surgery and the subsequent series of infections and continued F-ups concerning her treatment!
    There is no God but Resister and Refugee is his messenger’.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donttread View Post
    Don't wait for me to link something, do a search. Try to find some modern example where a stricter war on drugs has made things better not worse. Then research the other way , which does have real world evidence of success. Believe it or not there is truly no intellectual argument. Decriminilization is pitching an empirical shutout. However, emotion, and special interest keep drugs highly illegal and keep big pharma, Segrams , Morticians, Prisions , government growers , cartels and street gangs happy. If the war on drugs was going to work it would have. But ask yourself how 40 years of tough drug policy has decreased access to drugs? Of course it hasn't. Despite my hatred of murderous prohibition I respect the Constitution enough to admit that the states have a right to make drug policy within their borders , but know enough to relaize that the feds have no such right.
    I've hunted up enough links to support my assertions. You have and continue to make assertions. It's on you to provide evidence of those claims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalkin View Post
    Obamacare is nothing more than marxist wealth redistribution hiding in a cloak of healthcare mandates.
    Not really.

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    Picky, restrictive insurance -- and medical mistakes -- existed before Obamacare.


    Just saying.
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