Insurers and drug companies don't like Sanders plan

[Crepitus]

OK, so you have no argument, just a simple opinion. The half a million people out of work was just one point I expected you to address.

And I did address it. Yes, I think it is a workable solution. Part of the reason I think it's a workable solution is that no one seems to remember without for profit insurance companies between provider and patient costs will be considerably less. There's also the thing the drug companies are worried about, negotiating power.

Happy now?

[Chris]

Sanders' last 'Medicare for all' plan cost nearly $1.4 trillion

How much would all this cost? Nearly $1.4 trillion a year.

To pay for it, all Americans and employers would see a tax hike. Sanders called for a new 2.2% income tax on all Americans and a 6.2% levy on employers. He would also increase taxes on the wealthy.

How Much Would The Medicare-For-All Plan Cost? Bernie Sanders Doesn’t Have All The Answers

Sanders' plan leaves out the details of any tax increases that would go with it. "Rather than give a detailed proposal about how we’re going to raise $3 trillion a year, we’d rather give the American people options,” Sanders told the Washington Post.

[Crepitus]

Sanders' last 'Medicare for all' plan cost nearly $1.4 trillion




How Much Would The Medicare-For-All Plan Cost? Bernie Sanders Doesn’t Have All The Answers

Americans are spending almost 4 trillion a year in healthcare now. That sounds like a pretty good deal to me.

[Chris]

Americans are spending almost 4 trillion a year in healthcare now. That sounds like a pretty good deal to me.

Try $3,400,000,000,000.

Medicare pays 80%.

You're short some $300M.

Not a good deal. A loss.

So we pay more to let the government make our medical decisions.

[The Xl]

The healthcare argument is only fought between insurance lobbied corporatist proxies and pseudo socialists. And that's precisely why we're going to continue to have problems with the healthcare system going forward.

[Common]

Try $3,400,000,000,000.

Medicare pays 80%.

You're short some $300M.

Not a good deal. A loss.

So we pay more to let the government make our medical decisions.

Some just want that free health care and dont care who has to pay for them

Its not so much paying for it, its who were paying for, thugs, drug dealers and low lifes its the diminshing quality of health care that goes with it. Weve always paid for the uninsureds health care.

Obamacare diminished medicare and made seniors pay far more out of pocket. Obama promised that would not happen when he stole almost a billion dollars from medicare. HE LIED.
Obama said you could keep your own doctors HE LIED. He said it would make healthcare affordable for all HE LIED, and he lied that it would available to all.

Universal health care would be far worse and 80% of the country shouldnt have their healthcare destroyed to give it free to 20%. Find a way to provide health care for them like we always did.

With the left this is not about covering everyone with healthcare that does not have it. Its about making everyone have the SAME healthcare whether they are paying for their own and others or not.

[Captdon]

Are you willing to pay an additional 30% tax on top of what you already pay? Total income in the US last year was 13.5 trillion dollars. The cost is going to be at least 3.5 trillion a year. That makes for 30% as a minimum since Sanders doesn't want to tax the poor and he better not think he's going to tax me.

I already paid in from every paycheck I ever received.There are 78 million Medicare recipients now.We already paid for it. We also vote. The Europeans are willing to pay high taxes for government services. Good for them. We aren't.

[Crepitus]

Try $3,400,000,000,000.

Medicare pays 80%.

You're short some $300M.

Not a good deal. A loss.

So we pay more to let the government make our medical decisions.

We will pay less in the end because we don't have to support the parasitic health insurance agencies.

[Chris]

And I did address it. Yes, I think it is a workable solution. Part of the reason I think it's a workable solution is that no one seems to remember without for profit insurance companies between provider and patient costs will be considerably less. There's also the thing the drug companies are worried about, negotiating power.

Happy now?

That sort of addresses the problems with Obamacare that was written by the insurance companies and subsidizes them.


What are the drug companies worried about? That CMS would set prices? That creates shortages.

[Chris]

We will pay less in the end because we don't have to support the parasitic health insurance agencies.

That was accounted for in my numbers. It will be a loss, iow, it will cost us $30M more a year.