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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Arrow View Post
    The University of California system - the largest in the country - was tuition-free until 1985. Additionally, the countries with the best education in the world are all tuition-free. Tennessee experimented with a tuition-free model to great success, with President Obama touting it as an example of what this country needs, and now New York is going tuition-free.

    Medicare-for-all works in most of the world's developed nations and they tend to have better life expectancies than do we.
    You forgot to add who pays for the tuition free and medicare for all.
    Its easy to make something work when you are given the money to make it work, its where the money comes from thats the issue

    I personally dont pay any attention to what other nations have done, my concern is here.

    Blue Cross Blue Shield of New Jersey was non profit they citizens were told for decades. Then they found out why the state gave them yearly hundreds of millions to be non profit. As soon as Jersey got in financial straights they stopped the appropriation and BCBS is now for profit.

    Why did the university of california stop being free in 1985 if it was such a success ?
    When NY University goes for free does that mean the professors work for free and all the ancillary staff that it takes to run the college work for free. If not where does the money come from to pay them.

    The point is FREE is nonesense nothing is free, free in this sense means you get it for free and he pays double.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Arrow View Post
    The University of California system - the largest in the country - was tuition-free until 1985. Additionally, the countries with the best education in the world are all tuition-free. Tennessee experimented with a tuition-free model to great success, with President Obama touting it as an example of what this country needs, and now New York is going tuition-free.

    Medicare-for-all works in most of the world's developed nations and they tend to have better life expectancies than do we.
    Again, are you willing to pay the 30-40% taxes they pay? I doubt it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Common View Post
    You forgot to add who pays for the tuition free and medicare for all.
    Everyone in our society does, same as we do for public schools and Medicaid/Medicare.

    Why did the university of california stop being free in 1985 if it was such a success ?
    Because the administrators of the UC system wanted to make excessive salaries and live in free mansions that cost around $10 million a year to renovate. It's not because it didn't work.

    When NY University goes for free does that mean the professors work for free and all the ancillary staff that it takes to run the college work for free. If not where does the money come from to pay them.
    From fundraisers, alumni events, state funds, etc. Same as now just without excessive costs to students.
    The point is FREE is nonesense nothing is free, free in this sense means you get it for free and he pays double.
    No, that's not what it means. Nobody serious uses "free" to mean "nobody pays for it," that's just ridiculous. My words were explicit - I said "tuition-free," meaning students do not pay tuition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captdon View Post
    Again, are you willing to pay the 30-40% taxes they pay? I doubt it.
    Yes, I am, but that wouldn't be necessary.
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