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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    The fact Franklin found slavery morally repugnant doesn't imply the Civil War was fought for that reason. General Lee also found it morally repugnant.
    Lee found it so repugnant that when he went north into Pennsylvania he captured every Black he could and sent them south to be sold into slavery. Repugnant?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captdon View Post
    Lee found it so repugnant that when he went north into Pennsylvania he captured every Black he could and sent them south to be sold into slavery. Repugnant?
    Along with everything else they could forage for the war effort.

    Still, Lee saw slavery as a great evil. That was said in contradistinction to a claim that Franklin saw it as evil and therefore the war was about slavery.
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    Nothing more presumptive than men arguing about what other men might have thought 150 years ago.
    Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But I digress....

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ Jim View Post
    Nothing more presumptive than men arguing about what other men might have thought 150 years ago.
    Except we have their words.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Along with everything else they could forage for the war effort.

    Still, Lee saw slavery as a great evil. That was said in contradistinction to a claim that Franklin saw it as evil and therefore the war was about slavery.
    Franklin's feelings about slavery had nothing to do with the war. It was the south's feelings about slavery that caused the war.

    No excuse for Lee. He did was he thought was evil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captdon View Post
    Franklin's feelings about slavery had nothing to do with the war....

    Now you support my point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captdon View Post
    No excuse for Lee. He did was he thought was evil.
    I have a different understanding. Lee did what he did because he was first a citizen of Virginia. He was faced with a terrible choice. He did not do what he thought was evil. He did what he knew to be right. He fought to protect his State from an out-of-control federal government.

    I have read just a few books about Lee. He was a remarkable man.
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.


    I pledge allegiance to the Constitution as written and understood by this nation's founders, and to the Republic it created, an indivisible union of sovereign States, with liberty and justice for all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perianne View Post
    What would the founders of this nation have thought of the Civil War?
    I think that they might have seen as a twofold thing: inevitable given what was at stake, and another version of the war that was won for independence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perianne View Post
    @Peter1469 and @OtherDeepThinkers This subject interests me a LOT.

    I don't mean to leave anyone out, please respond any who have opinions.

    It's been over 150 years since the Civil War and I still cannot understand how anyone can support what Lincoln did to the South. But my mind is open.
    "what Lincoln did to the South"?

    huh????

    You do know the "South" fired the first shots on Fort Sumter, right?
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