Prediction: War is Imminent

[Peter1469]

Yeah, those of us who want to return America to what's she supposed to be "hate it" . According to the control freaks on both" sides"

What is that? A nation that was 90% rural? Farmers?

[Ethereal]

What is that? A nation that was 90% rural? Farmers?

A nation that was guided by a rational foreign policy, for starters, and that had low taxes and very little bureaucracy.

[Peter1469]

A nation that was guided by a rational foreign policy, for starters, and that had low taxes and very little bureaucracy.

Their foreign policy was guided by their weakness.

Our Founders were wise and not reckless like our current neocons.

[MisterVeritis]

Their foreign policy was guided by their weakness.

Our Founders were wise and not reckless like our current neocons.

Jefferson was quite a stinker.

[Ethereal]

Their foreign policy was guided by their weakness.

I think it would be more accurate to say their foreign policy was guided by their limitations. America has never, ever been weak.

And a foreign policy that is guided by its limitations is a rational foreign policy, regardless of whether you're weak or strong.

Additionally, the more limitations a country has, the more important it is to get its foreign policy right, lest they be swallowed up or degraded by some other country. In other words, it makes no sense to get rid of a foreign policy that carried you through perilous times simply because things are calmer and safer now. That's a dependable, practical foreign policy. What has our departure from it gotten us, exactly? A gigantic government? Lots of taxes and debt? A bunch of dumb wars that had nothing to do with us?

Our Founders were wise and not reckless like our current neocons.

They were exceedingly wise, which is why it makes sense to conserve their views on foreign policy. It was a policy crafted in the light of history.

[RollingWave]

I think it's possible. The Trump rant at the UN sounds eerily similar to the with us or against us Bush speech. Though we should note there's basically two repeating "axis of evil" from that rant and the last time they went after the other country. ( you know, the one that was by far the easiest target . ) ............. so we might end up seeing the US invade Venezuela I guess.

As for North Korea, it's possible, but all the factors at work could get really ugly and hard to control, what if instead of bombing Seoul the North strikes Japan or something instead, and the South is very hesitant to let US troops in? and of course, if you start using nukes things could get out of hand in a hurry. Meanwhile if a new Korean war is fought along the same parameters as the last one (fighting limited to within Korea. ) then China's advantage this time around in that case would be quite enormous.

I think the most serious issue is simply that if this war DOESN'T end with the US occupation of the North, it's going to basically be the end of the American hegemony and the domino effect would be gigantic around the world.

[Peter1469]

The US would be foolish to occupy the North. Destroy it and let it lay fallow.

[donttread]

What is that? A nation that was 90% rural? Farmers?

A nation of rights and independent states with a federal government that collectively deals with other nations , providing a common "Defence" not "Offence" and allowing us and the world to live our lives.

[donttread]

A nation that was guided by a rational foreign policy, for starters, and that had low taxes and very little bureaucracy.

And less controlism, both here and abroad.

[IMPress Polly]

Ethereal wrote:
I've seen you pushing anti-Russian narratives which come straight from neocon think-tanks, so forgive me if I don't immediately take your objections seriously.

Only in your mind does the Trump-Russia scandal (and it can be justly called a scandal at this point) originate there, and only in your mind am I some sort of Russiaphobe. I have defended Vladimir Putin against the American imperialist narrative many times. For example, I defended Putin's diplomatic intervention in the U.S.-Syria crisis in 2013 when he ostensibly negotiated the removal of their chemical weapons as an alternative to their destruction by a U.S. bombing campaign. (In retrospect, maybe I shouldn't have, as said weapons seem to have resurfaced since.) I likewise opposed the U.S.-orchestrated 2014 coup in Ukraine and defended Crimea's democratic vote to peacefully secede to Russia. I used to even characterize Putin as a relatively progressive leader in general...back when he was proposing to tax the wealthy more heavily in order to expand the country's public welfare system early on in his latest term in office.

But now we can see Mr. Putin's true colors. Since making those promises, he has done nothing but shrink the country's public welfare system even as the country has been gripped by economic recession (mostly thanks to U.S. sanctions)...and yet somehow has managed to find the money to invade Syria with a force of 150,000 troops! And all of this is to say nothing of the governments that his regime has largely created in foreign countries (like Poland, for example) since that time. And no, I don't approve of Russia's intervention in our election last year any more than I do of the CIA's actions in Ukraine or anywhere else. I have no double-standard here. I defend the Russian government against American imperialism. I do NOT defend RUSSIAN imperialism though. I don't defend imperialism at all. Neither do I feel sorry for Mr. Putin as a person. He is a sociopathic dictator and the richest person on Earth, owning assets collectively worth somewhere between $80 and $240 billion with a B. Let's not pretend that he is an innocent and well-meaning man when he has been proven otherwise.

With regard to the issue of North Korea though, my position does tend to be relatively similar to that of the Russian government. I don't share their reasons or motives, but even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Like I told you before, I've been the most vocal and harshest critic of US policy towards North Korea on the entire forum. You cannot hold a candle to me, sister...

Next you'll be telling me your dick is bigger than mine.