World Hunger Increasing

[Dr. Who]

To demonstrate means not to ramble on about what might be or could be but to, well, demonstrate with actual facts and history. So try again.

Norway, Norway has a military too. In 2014 they spent 7.2 billion USD, increaed in 2017 to 2,1 billion Norwegian kroner. Pension plan, what's that got to demonstrating your claim?

How many wars has Norway started in the last 60 years? Pension plan, is taking care of your own. I know that's a strange concept but some countries actually do care that their elderly live a half decent life. Norway knows that it won't have oil resources forever, or that they will continue to have great value, so they have stockpiled that money while the going is good. I mention it because Norway is one of those dreaded socialist states that you criticize. So much central planning, yet their elderly will be far better off than more than half of the elderly in America. Places like Norway are not averse to capitalism, but it serves them, rather than the reverse.:
https://www.quora.com/How-did-Norway...ealth-creation

It's not the state that is bad, it is the culture that administrates it.

[Chris]

How many wars has Norway started in the last 60 years? Pension plan, is taking care of your own. I know that's a strange concept but some countries actually do care that their elderly live a half decent life. Norway knows that it won't have oil resources forever, or that they will continue to have great value, so they have stockpiled that money while the going is good. I mention it because Norway is one of those dreaded socialist states that you criticize. So much central planning, yet their elderly will be far better off than more than half of the elderly in America. Places like Norway are not averse to capitalism, but it serves them, rather than the reverse.:
https://www.quora.com/How-did-Norway...ealth-creation

It's not the state that is bad, it is the culture that administrates it.

Good grief, let me remind you that you claimed this: "Indeed there is a certain demonstrable relationship between aversion to socialism, pandering to capitalistic forces and the instigation of and participation in wars." Arguing Noray doesn't do that. Norway is a capitalist country. Beside, a single example does not in any way demonstrate the general claim you made.

[Dr. Who]

Good grief, let me remind you that you claimed this: "Indeed there is a certain demonstrable relationship between aversion to socialism, pandering to capitalistic forces and the instigation of and participation in wars." Arguing Noray doesn't do that. Norway is a capitalist country. Beside, a single example does not in any way demonstrate the general claim you made.

Name a Scandinavian country that instigated a war in the last 70 years, I dare you. Whereas the country that is most averse to socialism has been almost continuously at war for the last 70 years and has dragged its allies in to support them. I wonder how much 70 years of war has cost the American people.

At any rate, you are totally missing the point. It's not the state that is bad, it is the culture behind it. If the culture is corrupt, the state will be corrupt. In every instance of socialist states collapsing, it is because of corruption. That corruption doesn't magically appear with the dawn of the state. It is fed by the culture of the society.

[Chris]

Name a Scandinavian country that instigated a war in the last 70 years, I dare you. Whereas the country that is most averse to socialism has been almost continuously at war for the last 70 years and has dragged its allies in to support them. I wonder how much 70 years of war has cost the American people.

At any rate, you are totally missing the point. It's not the state that is bad, it is the culture behind it. If the culture is corrupt, the state will be corrupt. In every instance of socialist states collapsing, it is because of corruption. That corruption doesn't magically appear with the dawn of the state. It is fed by the culture of the society.

The Scandinavian countries are all capitalists, Who. There goes your theory. Their capitalist nature has been discussed on this forum for years, the last round when Sanders claimed they were socialist. All of them became rich by capitalistic trade and once there implemented some social (not socialist) policies no different than Canada implement ing social policies around healthcare. That didn't last long, a decade or so when after joining the EU the people faced with forced immigration of workers lost homogenous trust in society and demanded retraction of those policies and more conservative government. Those nations are now a hotbed of European alt-right reaction to immigration.

I'm missing the point? No, you are shifting goalposts away from your assertion "Indeed there is a certain demonstrable relationship between aversion to socialism, pandering to capitalistic forces and the instigation of and participation in wars."

[donttread]

The number of people suffering from malnutrition rose in 2016 for the first time in a decade, increasing by 38 million to a total of 815 million people, which amounts to 11% of the world's population, according to a new United Nations report. While the development of science and technology, primarily by capitalism, and their spread around the world in the form of gigantic increases in food production, have made possible a century-long reduction in the number suffering from hunger and malnutrition, these gains are now offset by wars and the consequences of climate change, both of which are also primarily being caused by capitalism.

Wars are occurring with increasing frequency today because weapons are continually getting cheaper, thanks to the high production levels and volume of trading resulting from the capitalist development process. And I don't think I need to explain the role of certain industries in the causing of global warming.

I point this out to highlight the flaws in the logic of those who believe that capitalist development is capable of actually solving problems like world hunger. Only a system of equitable food distribution can accomplish such a feat. There is enough food on this planet to wipe out starvation and hunger already. However, realizing the goal of doing so will require the adoption of a no-growth economic model that concerns itself with human well-being and ecological sustainability instead of continuous expansion; a system based on production for use, not for exchange.

"Teach a man to fish" preferably with crops and animals suited to his region. The very concept of shipping in staple foods from thousands of miles away is deeply flawed and always has been except in a short term emergency.

[Chris]

Yet...

[waltky]

Good news in the fight against world hunger...

Rice Breeders Report Huge Productivity Gains
April 06, 2018 - The science behind the grain that feeds half the world may have taken a big leap forward. Scientists are reporting the biggest improvements in rice productivity in decades.

If the results hold up in further tests, it could greatly increase supplies of a critical food staple at a time when the global population is growing rapidlyResearchers found a version of a gene that increased the number of branches in the flowering part of the plant. The team used conventional breeding to introduce this gene version into five rice varieties. The new strains produced from 28 to 85 percent more rice than their parents. That’s a huge increase, says University of Arkansas rice breeder Xueyan Sha. “If we can achieve, say, 6 percent, we can probably consider it a great achievement,” Sha said.

A farmer plows a paddy field to plant rice seedlings in Naypyitaw, Myanmar, March 2, 2018. Myanmar celebrates Peasants' Day annually on March 2 to show the country's appreciation to its laborers.

Sha was not part of the new study, published in the journal Scientific Reports. He cautions that it’s a small-scale, controlled experiment, and it’s not clear how the results will hold up in farmers’ fields. Rice yields have not improved much since the big gains of the “Green Revolution” of the 1960s, aimed at boosting grain production. Experts say big increases in food production will be necessary to feed the additional 2 billion or so people expected on the planet by 2050.

Not all rice varieties tested by the scientists produced the same hefty gains. That’s another reason for caution, notes rice geneticist Shannon Pinson with the U.S. Department of Agriculture. “There’s something exciting here,” Pinson said. “I don’t think it’s as exciting as Green Revolution caliber.” New varieties will be available to farmers in two to four years.

https://www.voanews.com/a/rice-breed...s/4336152.html

[rcfieldz]

Are farts edible?

[Ransom]

The number of people suffering from malnutrition rose in 2016 for the first time in a decade, increasing by 38 million to a total of 815 million people, which amounts to 11% of the world's population, according to a new United Nations report. While the development of science and technology, primarily by capitalism, and their spread around the world in the form of gigantic increases in food production, have made possible a century-long reduction in the number suffering from hunger and malnutrition, these gains are now offset by wars and the consequences of climate change, both of which are also primarily being caused by capitalism.

Wars are occurring with increasing frequency today because weapons are continually getting cheaper, thanks to the high production levels and volume of trading resulting from the capitalist development process. And I don't think I need to explain the role of certain industries in the causing of global warming.

I point this out to highlight the flaws in the logic of those who believe that capitalist development is capable of actually solving problems like world hunger. Only a system of equitable food distribution can accomplish such a feat. There is enough food on this planet to wipe out starvation and hunger already. However, realizing the goal of doing so will require the adoption of a no-growth economic model that concerns itself with human well-being and ecological sustainability instead of continuous expansion; a system based on production for use, not for exchange.

Next come the Commissars. Not only is 'equitable food distribution' a requirement. So it 'equitable wealth distribution.' So it 'equitable land distribution.' So too required is 'equitable income distribution.' And of course, on order to manage and manipulate such a massive endeavor involving hundreds of millions and into the billions....you're going to need a colossal central government system. A Kremlin if you will. And what happens to those who may be......well.....using resources beyond defined 'equitable distribution' than any comrade needs why......being sent to a farm for re-education will be necessary.

What has appalled this Member from my first entry into this forum, was its' utter lack of historical perspective....and I mean in some cases........utter ignorance.

Uhhhh.....hey uh....Polly...

Has it occurred to you that this endeavor you speak to......your 'equitable resource distribution' system has been endeavored upon. Hasn't it? And it's not only been an epic failure resulting in global starvation and disease......but it's resulted in wholesale holocaust. Now.....afore you go putting forth any great ideas concerning food or resource distribution, why not go look if it has been tried before. You might be surprised.

More likely, woken up.

For the love of God, People. Jesus has risen. Peter and John but Mary first see the stone has been moved. Maybe perhaps....crack the binding after dusting off the cover of your Grandfathers history book. Please.

[Ransom]

"Teach a man to fish" preferably with crops and animals suited to his region. The very concept of shipping in staple foods from thousands of miles away is deeply flawed and always has been except in a short term emergency.

Who is the teacher?