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    Oh yeah, I forgot about the Aztecs. Ritual sacrifice was practiced, as they themselves recorded. But even in your article, what actually took place in those Mezo American cultures is disputed.

    Consider Spanish accounts of cannibalism near and around the Caribbean, as per your maps.

    And consider cannibalism in Africa, which has been ongoing for millenia and continues to this day, a fact in which some Africans take great pride. To make a long argument short, the Spanish brought African slaves with them to the New World. Some of those slaves escaped and sought refuge among Native Americans.

    Ba- da -boom. I think that's when you begin to read accounts of cannibalism by the supposed native population.

    As for the OP, if that reading is authentic, and the incidental map illustrations are authentic, I would suggest that it was a lie perpetrated mainly by Christian leaders, especially by The Church, (but not by the Faith) to incite new comers and settlers to slaughter the Natives wherever they came across them in order to make way for Christianity, especially the power of its political organizations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lummy View Post
    Oh yeah, I forgot about the Aztecs. Ritual sacrifice was practiced, as they themselves recorded. But even in your article, what actually took place in those Mezo American cultures is disputed.

    Consider Spanish accounts of cannibalism near and around the Caribbean, as per your maps.

    And consider cannibalism in Africa, which has been ongoing for millenia and continues to this day, a fact in which some Africans take great pride. To make a long argument short, the Spanish brought African slaves with them to the New World. Some of those slaves escaped and sought refuge among Native Americans.

    Ba- da -boom. I think that's when you begin to read accounts of cannibalism by the supposed native population.

    As for the OP, if that reading is authentic, and the incidental map illustrations are authentic, I would suggest that it was a lie perpetrated mainly by Christian leaders, especially by The Church, (but not by the Faith) to incite new comers and settlers to slaughter the Natives wherever they came across them in order to make way for Christianity, especially the power of its political organizations.
    Cannibalism was practiced too. Only the extent and purpose is disputed.

    What exactly am I to consider about any of this?

    Um...no. In any case, cannibalism among native peoples is well attested and supported by archaeological evidence. We know it happened. We know it was ritualistic (i.e not the result of starvation). We see it in the southwest of what is now the US too, BTW. It seems the Anasazi had a hankering for forbidden morsels but that may have been impacted by changing climate and famine.

    Well over 90% of New World population decline was the result of disease. I don't think your evaluation is particularly plausible.
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    Also, both Staden and Lery were Protestants.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    THE CORRECT WAY TO BE A CANNIBAL: Eat a rich or powerful person, a review of Hans Staden's 1557 True Story and Description of a Country of Wild, Naked, Grim, Man-eating People in the New World
    I pulled this book from the library after you posted this last fall. Tough read.
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    Isn't the cooking technique BBQ directly related to Barbacoa (sp?) used by indigenous Central, South Americans and Caribbean islanders back then? IIRC I saw woodcut prints depicting it. BBQing slaughtered human that is.
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    That reminds me. There was (note tense) also a lot of skepticism regarding Roman accounts of Celtic cannibalism but that too has now been laid to rest. Archaeological evidence shows that ritual cannibalism occurred in Celtic Britain.
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    Like this

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmyz View Post
    Isn't the cooking technique BBQ directly related to Barbacoa (sp?) used by indigenous Central, South Americans and Caribbean islanders back then? IIRC I saw woodcut prints depicting it. BBQing slaughtered human that is.
    As depicted in "A Tupinamban Cannibal Feast" by Theodor De Bry from 1592:

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmyz View Post
    Like this

    Yes, like that. :P


    Also, in finding that I came across some European mixing of barbacoa (barbeque) with barbarian.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Yes, like that. :P


    Also, in finding that I came across some European mixing of barbacoa (barbeque) with barbarian.
    It is recorded that human hands were considered a delicacy among cannibals. I'd like to think on their menu it read Human Fingers ten to an order in mild, medium and hot.
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