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    Republicans privately admit defeat on Obamacare repeal

    Via Politico:

    For the first time, rank-and-file Republicans are acknowledging Obamacare may never be repealed.

    After multiple failures to repeal the law, the White House and many GOP lawmakers are publicly promising to try again in early 2018. But privately, both House and Senate Republicans acknowledge they may never be able to deliver on their seven-year vow to scrap the law.

    “Personally, I don’t” see it, Rep. Phil Roe (R-Tenn.) said. “I just don’t know how you can reconcile a bill you’ve taken two whiffs at already and couldn’t get the votes.”

    Some sound almost resigned to the new reality. “I’d say it’s 50-50,” Rep. Kevin Cramer (R-N.D.) said of the prospect the law will remain in place.

    Republicans are torn between the potency of their longtime rallying cry against Obamacare — so popular with GOP donors and their base that it helped flip both houses of Congress and the White House — and the reality they’ve wasted nine months of what is supposed to be the most productive time of a new administration failing to get it done. With few legislative accomplishments so far to show voters, failure on Obamacare repeal could prove to be a major liability in the 2018 midterm elections.

    Even if Republicans try again next year, few House Republicans are confident the Senate would be successful without a change in the GOP lineup or someone flipping their vote.
    All of this goes to prove that Republicans have been telling bold-faced lies for the last eight years. They have sworn up and down that they had a plan to repeal and replace Obamacare. When they were finally given the keys to the kingdom - full control of the Congress and the White House - they rushed to put together a last-minute "repeal and replace" plan. Meaning for eight years, they had nothing whatsoever to offer as an alternative to Obamacare despite all their promises to the contrary.

    They could have had "repeal and replace" on day one of the nascent Trump administration had they actually followed through on their promises to the American people, and spent eight years developing one. Instead they opted for hollow grandstanding that amounted to a whole lot of nothing.

    For reasons I can't figure out, the Democrats saw this unfold and decided to do the same thing during the Trump administration, a whole lot of bluster with nothing to show for it thus far.

    At some point, we have to look at this stuff and say, "Why do we keep voting for these snakes?" Why do we keep trading the reins of power back and forth between Republican and Democrat every cycle instead of actually punishing them for these kinds of horrendous moves by removing their parties from power altogether?
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    lol they should have admitted defeat long ago, but in truth its only a few that caused the defeats every vote.
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    Just wait until McCain dies and they could repeal it before his rotting corpse is even cold.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cletus View Post
    Just wait until McCain dies and they could repeal it before his rotting corpse is even cold.
    McCain would be a gain of only one vote, assuming his successor wouldn't vote no on it. The last several attempts at repeal have been 3-4 votes short. So no, just losing McCain wouldn't suddenly make it passable.
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    They only had seven years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fredy View Post
    They only had seven years.
    8 under the keyan!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Arrow View Post
    McCain would be a gain of only one vote, assuming his successor wouldn't vote no on it. The last several attempts at repeal have been 3-4 votes short. So no, just losing McCain wouldn't suddenly make it passable.
    How do you make it through life?

    Without McCain's influence, it would have passed long ago. He may be a disgusting, liberal, senile old $#@!, but he has a lot of juice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by resister View Post
    8 under the keyan!
    Do you get so excited to type "Kenyan" that you can't spell it right?

    They had seven years to come up with a health care plan that wasn't a tax cut in disguise.

    I'll walk you through the math if you like. ACA passed in 2010. This is 2017.

    2017-2010=?

    Bon chance

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cletus View Post
    How do you make it through life?

    Without McCain's influence, it would have passed long ago. He may be a disgusting, liberal, senile old $#@!, but he has a lot of juice.
    McCain's influence has no impact on Ted Cruz or Rand Paul, that's two votes the GOP still loses. In that scenario Pence could break the tie and the bill would pass, but they aren't the only non-McCain no votes. Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski also didn't vote no on any of the repeal votes because of McCain. That's four. Bill is still dead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fredy View Post
    Do you get so excited to type "Kenyan" that you can't spell it right?

    They had seven years to come up with a health care plan that wasn't a tax cut in disguise.

    I'll walk you through the math if you like. ACA passed in 2010. This is 2017.

    2017-2010=?

    Bon chance
    $#@! rhinos and your your spelling nazis
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