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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    That's different.
    I grow more and more amazed at the arguments of gun control advocates.

    The second amendment, which expressly and clearly endorses a right to keep and bear arms, does not actually protect a right to keep and bear arms, they tell us.

    But abortions, which are not referenced ANYWHERE in the bill of rights, are a sacred and constitutional right of a woman. In fact, it's so sacred, that taxpayers must subsidize access to abortion services.

    I just shake my head in amazement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stjames1_53 View Post
    give it up. Yu are not familiar with the US as much as you let on. Our laws are of no concern to you. You say you don't hate America, yet you look to destroy our laws and Constitution. I am about tired of you telling us how to live.
    Just look at your avatar.........."NO, I don't hate America." What a line of bullsh!t...........take a hike, canuck
    You have no Bill of Rights, so no one else should have them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    I grow more and more amazed at the arguments of gun control advocates.

    The second amendment, which expressly and clearly endorses a right to keep and bear arms, does not actually protect a right to keep and bear arms, they tell us.

    But abortions, which are not referenced ANYWHERE in the bill of rights, are a sacred and constitutional right of a woman. In fact, it's so sacred, that taxpayers must subsidize access to abortion services.

    I just shake my head in amazement.
    I think it can be accounted for as a difference in values. Basically, classical liberals value liberty higher than modern liberals who value security higher. But the abortion argument seems to contradict everything liberal.
    Edmund Burke: "In vain you tell me that Artificial Government is good, but that I fall out only with the Abuse. The Thing! the Thing itself is the Abuse!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Arrow View Post
    How is it an infringement on the right to keep and bear arms, in your opinion?

    Even a cave man can figure this one out. If the sale of firearms can be restricted then the acquisition of firearms is also restricted. How can you have a right to a firearm if its illegal to sell them?
    Political tags - such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth - are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Arrow View Post
    So would my inability to afford arms. Should the government buy them for me?
    Do you take pills for being stupid or do you come by it naturally?
    Political tags - such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth - are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    There are lots of books in America, too. Does that mean banning the sale of books isn't an infringement of free speech rights?
    Sure, you could always publish your own books you know.
    Political tags - such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth - are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Common Sense View Post
    People love to be strict absolutists on the 2nd. They love to quote the second and specifically "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

    I don't see anything in there about selling. Keep, yes. Bear, yes. Sell, no.
    LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

    How can I "keep" something I can not acquire?

    No wonder you guys drink piss for beer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stjames1_53 View Post
    If you have the Right to own, how are you supposed to get them? Issued from the government? Then it takes the Right and converts it to a privilege bestowed upon a few select. That is a direct affect of government controlling the people.
    You can make them yourself. There are hundreds of videos on YouTube showing you how.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Arrow View Post
    You can make them yourself. There are hundreds of videos on YouTube showing you how.
    When I first started my business many years ago I had a man working for me who although good at his job generally had a complete disconnect with anything approaching normal thought processes. You could never hold an intelligent conversation with him because his responses were always off on a tangent. I'm sure they made sense to him but to everyone else he was just a loon.

    He ended up leaving me and going to work for a company in Palm Coast Florida but was fired a few months later for digging up the grounds around the facility. He was convinced there was gold buried by 18th Century pirates at that exact location.
    Political tags - such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth - are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Arrow View Post
    You can make them yourself. There are hundreds of videos on YouTube showing you how.
    Good lord, you keep repeating that like you've got a bump stock attached to it.
    Edmund Burke: "In vain you tell me that Artificial Government is good, but that I fall out only with the Abuse. The Thing! the Thing itself is the Abuse!"

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