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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    A universe without God is the definition of meaningless...
    That is absolute nonsense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cletus View Post
    That is absolute nonsense.
    Without God, what is the source of meaning or truth?
    Power always thinks it has a great soul, and vast views, beyond the comprehension of the weak. And that it is doing God service when it is violating all His laws.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cletus View Post
    The burden of proof lies with those making the claim of existence. It is not possible to prove the nonexistence of anything.
    Disagree. The burden lies with anyone who makes an assertion.

    In a way, I imagine, since I lack it, faith is its own proof.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Without God, what is the source of meaning or truth?

    It is, I think, one's choices of action in society to do good or evil that meaning emerges.

    Truth is absolute. God can't make what's false true, what's good evil.
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    The evidence supporting the existence of the Creator is overwhelmingly abundant. Life itself cannot be explained rationally apart from the existence of God. Science in the Big Bang Theory of beginnings is supporting of it. How can something, come out of nothing..........gradually,........ and then explode? That theory, in order to have any merit whatsoever, presupposes the Supernatural existence of a Creator. It is otherwise scientifically impossible. It is preposterous to entertain it, to consider it, unless the ridiculous and absurd are the utensils used to shovel nonsense down the throats of those seeking knowledge.

    The Creator has said that, " Only the fool, in his heart, has said there is no God." Faith is the SUBSTANCE of things hoped for. Not wishful thinking. But knowing. Based on evidence, measurable, hard, evidence. We live in it, breathe it, eat it, enjoy the magnificence of it, and eventually pass away in it, yet many refuse to see it at all. There is none so blind as those who will not see the obvious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CWF View Post
    The evidence supporting the existence of the Creator is overwhelmingly abundant. Life itself cannot be explained rationally apart from the existence of God. Science in the Big Bang Theory of beginnings is supporting of it. How can something, come out of nothing..........gradually,........ and then explode? That theory, in order to have any merit whatsoever, presupposes the Supernatural existence of a Creator. It is otherwise scientifically impossible. It is preposterous to entertain it, to consider it, unless the ridiculous and absurd are the utensils used to shovel nonsense down the throats of those seeking knowledge.

    The Creator has said that, " Only the fool, in his heart, has said there is no God." Faith is the SUBSTANCE of things hoped for. Not wishful thinking. But knowing. Based on evidence, measurable, hard, evidence. We live in it, breathe it, eat it, enjoy the magnificence of it, and eventually pass away in it, yet many refuse to see it at all. There is none so blind as those who will not see the obvious.

    Life itself cannot be explained rationally apart from the existence of God.
    Abiogenisis is just one of many scientific explanations.

    God did it is not an explanation.

    Science in the Big Bang Theory of beginnings is supporting of it.
    Big bang is a theory of the beginning of the universe as we know it.

    Not even the Bible says God created something from nothing.

    How can something, come out of nothing..........gradually,........ and then explode?
    No scientific theory says something came from nothing.

    Nor, again, does the Bible.

    Faith is the SUBSTANCE of things hoped for.
    Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

    Oddly, you point to things known and perceived as proof of God.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Without God, what is the source of meaning or truth?
    Do you really need some outside source to give your life meaning?

    How sad for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Disagree. The burden lies with anyone who makes an assertion.

    In a way, I imagine, since I lack it, faith is its own proof.
    Faith is proof?

    So, believing in the Easter Bunny makes its existence real?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    It is, I think, one's choices of action in society to do good or evil that meaning emerges.
    How does it emerge?

    Truth is absolute. God can't make what's false true, what's good evil.
    Without God, how can truth be absolute?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cletus View Post
    Do you really need some outside source to give your life meaning?

    How sad for you.
    So instead of trying to answer the question, you just evade it and say something insulting about me.

    Typical Cletus.
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