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    It's appealing because it wraps itself in the dialectic of collectivism, just like all highly authoritarian ideologies. And collectivism is appealing because it co-opts the social instincts of humans, instincts which have been made very strong by evolution. The other natural force that authoritarian ideologies try to co-opt is spirituality or religion. Even ostensibly secular forms of government rely heavily on spiritual and religious practices like ritual, ceremony, and iconography. The ruling classes have known for thousands of years the power of psychology.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Truth be told, @kilgram, you're doing the same thing you did in the thread on Atheism Irrationality.

    You some have the mistaken notion that in attacking other positions you are somehow defending yours. The topic there was atheism, you attacked theism, but failed to defend atheism. Same here, you attack capitalism (in the vaguest of terms) and leave (neo-)Marxism undefended.
    You misunderstood all my strategy as always you do.

    I did not attack theism in any moment. I attacked the hypocresy of considering a magical thing as maybe real and discard the rest. You told me that I discuss on unknown. But you directly discarded an unknown, and that was that I was attacking. The hypocresy of your behaviour.

    You tried to ignore that.

    And here I am not attacking capitalism. I am attacking the propaganda always repeated against socialism from the capitalism. I am attacking that idea repeated that is a $#@!ing lie. Like the deaths of people in Ukraine. That yes, they died a lot, but not only because of Stallin or communism. That is the lie, mixing deaths for other causes than the regime.
    Last edited by kilgram; 11-03-2017 at 05:18 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kilgram View Post
    You misunderstood all my strategy as always you do.

    I did not attack theism in any moment. I attacked the hypocresy of considering a magical thing as maybe real and discard the rest. You told me that I discuss on unknown. But you directly discarded an unknown, and that was that I was attacking. The hypocresy of your behaviour.

    You tried to ignore that.

    And here I am not attacking capitalism. I am attacking the propaganda always repeated against socialism from the capitalism. I am attacking that idea repeated that is a $#@!ing lie. Like the deaths of people in Ukraine. That yes, they died a lot, but not only because of Stallin or communism. That is the lie, mixing deaths for other causes than the regime.


    I am attacking the propaganda always repeated against socialism from the capitalism.
    You have not identified any propoganda.


    Like the deaths of people in Ukraine. That yes, they died a lot, but not only because of Stallin or communism.
    Are you refering to

    The Holodomor (Ukrainian: Голодомо́р)[a];[2] derived from морити голодом, "to kill by starvation"),[3][4][5] also known as the Terror-Famine and Famine-Genocide in Ukraine,[6][7][8] and—before the widespread use of the term "Holodomor," and sometimes currently—also referred to as the Great Famine,[9] and The Ukrainian Genocide of 1932–33[10] was a man-made famine in Soviet Ukraine in 1932 and 1933 that killed an officially estimated 7 million to 10 million people.[11] It was part of the wider Soviet famine of 1932–33, which affected the major grain-producing areas of the country.

    During the Holodomor millions of inhabitants of Ukraine, the majority of whom were ethnic Ukrainians, died of starvation in a peacetime catastrophe unprecedented in the history of Ukraine.[12] Since 2006, the Holodomor has been recognized by Ukraine[13] and 15 other countries as a genocide of the Ukrainian people carried out by the Soviet government.
    Some probably died of natural causes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kilgram View Post
    You misunderstood all my strategy as always you do.

    I did not attack theism in any moment. I attacked the hypocresy of considering a magical thing as maybe real and discard the rest. You told me that I discuss on unknown. But you directly discarded an unknown, and that was that I was attacking. The hypocresy of your behaviour.

    You tried to ignore that.

    And here I am not attacking capitalism. I am attacking the propaganda always repeated against socialism from the capitalism. I am attacking that idea repeated that is a $#@!ing lie. Like the deaths of people in Ukraine. That yes, they died a lot, but not only because of Stallin or communism. That is the lie, mixing deaths for other causes than the regime.
    I'm not really up to posting much tonight but I saw this and....really, sir? There is no difference between what you're doing now and what so called "Holocaust deniers" engage in. You should be ashamed of yourself.
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    1917 - 2017, it’s the anniversary. What shall we call it, 100 million dead and counting? The Gulags, the firing squads, the starved to death (Holodomor, Ukraine) ...
    The left go into hysterics over six million
    and it’s probably nowhere near that, yet tens of millions for the ‘cause’ becomes just another figure.


    Holodomor, Ukraine 1932 - 1933


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