Kevin Spacey Case Shows Male Privilege

[IMPress Polly]

As you've probably heard, the popular program House of Cards was recently cancelled when one Anthony Rapp accused Kevin Spacey of sexually harassing him when he was just 14 years old. Good! There should be consequences! But I want to point out something funny about that real quick today: Let's imagine for a moment if Anthony Rapp had been female. Would the same consequences have resulted?

Many very powerful men have been brought down by accusations of sexual harassment, assault, and rape lately. But there is a gendered difference here. Typically, it takes dozens of women coming forward before the accusations begin to be taken seriously. Woody Allen and Roman Polanski still have careers after facing far more serious allegations than those leveled against Kevin Spacey. The latter, in fact, was not only accused, but actually convicted of child rape, and yet still has a career! Or take the case of Bill Cosby, for instance. It took 35 women coming forward before the media began to realize that the allegations being leveled against Mr. Cosby were credible. Doing the math on that indicates that each woman's word was valued at 2.8% that of Bill Cosby's. But Anthony Rapp's word was valued at 100% that of the man who apparently preyed on him. You see the difference? ONE accusation from ONE man and House of Cards is done, kaput, game over, no continues!

I'm just using these as examples. The principle applies far more broadly. This is my answer to those who respond to every single allegation of sexual harassment, assault, or rape case that they hear of wherein a woman was on the receiving end with "but what about men?! Men face this stuff too!" Yes, boys and men do face these things as well. Far more rarely than girls and women. You know why? Because they are a lot more likely to be believed than we are. Maybe if people trusted us as much as they do our male counterparts, these things would not be so pervasive in general. Maybe movements like #MeToo wouldn't be so necessary. Just thoughts!

[Common]

After the rapp accusation there have been more pedophile accusations against spacey, he has entered a rehab program, the usual move by celebrities to shed guilt, like it absolves them

[Chris]

One, unless Spacey has admitted it, it's alleged, and there shouldn't be consequences for allegations.

Two, you speculate it's different for women, based on a few examples--what about Dustin Hoffman?

[donttread]

As you've probably heard, the popular program House of Cards was recently cancelled when one Anthony Rapp accused Kevin Spacey of sexually harassing him when he was just 14 years old. Good! There should be consequences! But I want to point out something funny about that real quick today: Let's imagine for a moment if Anthony Rapp had been female. Would the same consequences have resulted?

Many very powerful men have been brought down by accusations of sexual harassment, assault, and rape lately. But there is a gendered difference here. Typically, it takes dozens of women coming forward before the accusations begin to be taken seriously. Woody Allen and Roman Polanski still have careers after facing far more serious allegations than those leveled against Kevin Spacey. The latter, in fact, was not only accused, but actually convicted of child rape, and yet still has a career! Or take the case of Bill Cosby, for instance. It took 35 women coming forward before the media began to realize that the allegations being leveled against Mr. Cosby were credible. Doing the math on that indicates that each woman's word was valued at 2.8% that of Bill Cosby's. But Anthony Rapp's word was valued at 100% that of the man who apparently preyed on him. You see the difference? ONE accusation from ONE man and House of Cards is done, kaput, game over, no continues!

I'm just using these as examples. The principle applies far more broadly. This is my answer to those who respond to every single allegation of sexual harassment, assault, or rape case that they hear of wherein a woman was on the receiving end with "but what about men?! Men face this stuff too!" Yes, boys and men do face these things as well. Far more rarely than girls and women. You know why? Because they are a lot more likely to be believed than we are. Maybe if people trusted us as much as they do our male counterparts, these things would not be so pervasive in general. Maybe movements like #MeToo wouldn't be so necessary. Just thoughts!

And my answer is still man or woman, deal with it within a reasonable time frame , ideally when evidence can be gathered and witness memories are fresh and people remember where they were on 11-3-10 or whatever date and time.
If not at least deal with it within the stautute of limitations. If you don't do that I believe no civil remedy or "hush money" should be avalilable to you .
If you wait longer than that we have no way except trial via public opinion to conclude what happened and what didn't. . I personally dismiss such claims based on the lack of ability to prove at this juncture and consider the " revaltions " meaningless decades after the fact. Remember we are typically talking about Hollywood or the entertainment industry. Attention $#@! heaven , so to speak.

[DGUtley]

As you've probably heard, the popular program House of Cards was recently cancelled when one Anthony Rapp accused Kevin Spacey of sexually harassing him when he was just 14 years old. Good! There should be consequences! But I want to point out something funny about that real quick today: Let's imagine for a moment if Anthony Rapp had been female. Would the same consequences have resulted?

Many very powerful men have been brought down by accusations of sexual harassment, assault, and rape lately. But there is a gendered difference here. Typically, it takes dozens of women coming forward before the accusations begin to be taken seriously. Woody Allen and Roman Polanski still have careers after facing far more serious allegations than those leveled against Kevin Spacey. The latter, in fact, was not only accused, but actually convicted of child rape, and yet still has a career! Or take the case of Bill Cosby, for instance. It took 35 women coming forward before the media began to realize that the allegations being leveled against Mr. Cosby were credible. Doing the math on that indicates that each woman's word was valued at 2.8% that of Bill Cosby's. But Anthony Rapp's word was valued at 100% that of the man who apparently preyed on him. You see the difference? ONE accusation from ONE man and House of Cards is done, kaput, game over, no continues!

I'm just using these as examples. The principle applies far more broadly. This is my answer to those who respond to every single allegation of sexual harassment, assault, or rape case that they hear of wherein a woman was on the receiving end with "but what about men?! Men face this stuff too!" Yes, boys and men do face these things as well. Far more rarely than girls and women. You know why? Because they are a lot more likely to be believed than we are. Maybe if people trusted us as much as they do our male counterparts, these things would not be so pervasive in general. Maybe movements like #MeToo wouldn't be so necessary. Just thoughts!

Excuse me, IP, I am more likely to believe a woman that complains than a man -- I think there's a female privilege in that respect. You should know that I have, however, in 30 years of practicing law defended cases involving false allegations of sexual assault - on a civil side. Three of which I can think of off the top of my head. Blatant lying about being sexually assaulted. Two of which nothing happened and the other in which 7 years later she admitted that it was consensual - after the now-exonerated assaulter served 3 years in prison.

[Chris]

ONE accusation from ONE man and House of Cards is done, kaput, game over, no continues!

It's 7 men now.

[Ethereal]

Many very powerful men have been brought down by accusations of sexual harassment, assault, and rape lately. But there is a gendered difference here. Typically, it takes dozens of women coming forward before the accusations begin to be taken seriously. Woody Allen and Roman Polanski still have careers after facing far more serious allegations than those leveled against Kevin Spacey. The latter, in fact, was not only accused, but actually convicted of child rape, and yet still has a career! Or take the case of Bill Cosby, for instance. It took 35 women coming forward before the media began to realize that the allegations being leveled against Mr. Cosby were credible. Doing the math on that indicates that each woman's word was valued at 2.8% that of Bill Cosby's.

And don't forget the multiple women who've accused Bill Clinton of raping or otherwise assaulting them.

[Common]

The number keeps rising now London Police are investigating child rape charges on Spacey, a british actor said he woke up to spacey performing a sex act on him

[IMPress Polly]

Chris wrote:
It's 7 men now.

But it only took one. That's the point.

If these accusers were female, they'd still probably be about 20 or 30 short of being taken seriously.

DGUtley wrote:
Excuse me, IP...

You're excused.

I know exactly what the attitude of attorneys is toward these matters from first-hand experience. It's also easy to tell what your opinion of male innocence on these matters is by who you voted for. It's a very, very generous definition wherein someone can plainly, even proudly, admit to it and still somehow get your presumption of innocence.

Ethereal wrote:
And don't forget the multiple women who've accused Bill Clinton of raping or otherwise assaulting them.

I didn't, and have mentioned Mr. Clinton many times before in connection to these matters. But you know that.

I sought to keep this thread as non-partisan as possible was all. Hence why I didn't mention the more obvious case of Donald Trump either until just now.

[Chris]

But it only took one. That's the point.

If these accusers were female, they'd still probably be about 20 or 30 short of being taken seriously.



You're excused.

I know exactly what the attitude of attorneys is toward these matters from first-hand experience. It's also easy to tell what your opinion of male innocence on these matters is by who you voted for. It's a very, very generous definition wherein someone can plainly, even proudly, admit to it and still somehow get your presumption of innocence.



I didn't, and have mentioned Mr. Clinton many times before in connection to these matters. But you know that.

I sought to keep this thread as non-partisan as possible was all. Hence why I didn't mention the more obvious case of Donald Trump either until just now.

With Weistein all it took was one and then others came out.

If these accusers were female, they'd still probably be about 20 or 30 short of being taken seriously.

Sort of wishful thinking since you have no empirical basis for it.