Hopefully they’ll at least still release season 6.
Hopefully they’ll at least still release season 6.
"Those who produce should have, but we know that those who produce the most — that is, those who work hardest, and at the most difficult and most menial tasks, have the least."
- Eugene V. Debs (1855-1926), five-time Socialist Party candidate for U.S. President
Thank you.
Now, see, you really don't know me. I presume all men are guilty. It's my nature; or, perhaps b/c I'm the father of two women. I give them the legal presumption of innocence but I automatically side with the women on these things. As for who I voted for you forget that it was about the Court for me. What she would do to the Court and the country was far more important than the distasteful comments he made. In an election, we weigh options. You sided with corrupt and sinister battleaxe that did terrible things and I sided with the loudmouth guy that said terrible things. I get it.
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Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect. -- Woody Hayes
It is my observation that male complainants may taken more seriously because there has always been an extreme reluctance for males to admit to having been sexually molested by another male, which is tied to what has been a largely homophobic society. Even when they did complain in the past, everyone, including the families of the victims wanted it to remain secret. Thus now, in a less homophobic society, it is not unusual for adult males to increasingly reveal abuses of the past. Female rape, on the other hand, was greeted with a mixed reaction in the past. On the one hand male family members were liable to go on a rampage to punish the rapist or accuse the female of asking for it and punishing her. The police and and criminal justice system would often put the victim on trial, thus adding insult to injury. As a result, many female rapes went unreported. However, as that changed, there have also been unscrupulous women who have made false accusations for vindictive or monetary considerations. There has also been the development of pseudoscientific regression therapy among psychiatric/psychological practitioners that has all too often planted or suggested false memories, resulting in unjust accusations of sexual molestation.
Enough of those outliers have been publicized that there is a more jaded attitude toward delayed rape/molestation reports by females. I expect that as time passes, that skepticism will be extended to delayed male reporting as well.
In quoting my post, you affirm and agree that you have not been goaded, provoked, emotionally manipulated or otherwise coerced into responding.
"The difference between what we do and what we are capable of doing would suffice to solve most of the world’s problems.”
Mahatma Gandhi
Green Arrow (11-03-2017),IMPress Polly (11-03-2017)
That is an interesting take. So you argue that men being believed in these cases far more easily is symptomatic of society becoming less homophobic. In contrast to that perspective, I was just reading an interesting article on this subject a couple days ago that contended the exact opposite: that the ready acceptance of Kevin Spacey's guilt, in contrast to all these heterosexual predators, is symptomatic of remaining homophobic attitudes in our society. To highlight a notable excerpt:Dr. Who wrote:
It is my observation that male complainants may taken more seriously because there has always been an extreme reluctance for males to admit to having been sexually molested by another male, which is tied to what has been a largely homophobic society. Even when they did complain in the past, everyone, including the families of the victims wanted it to remain secret. Thus now, in a less homophobic society, it is not unusual for adult males to increasingly reveal abuses of the past.
"But this thing about men being attracted to other men, all by itself, causes a lot of people to really freak out. They worry because, deep down, they know how men act towards people for whom they profess romantic interest, and they worry about the men and boys they know, or perhaps they worry about themselves, if they are heterosexual men.
The reason people panic over the existence of gay men is because they know how all men are socialized, and they fear that “normal” male socialization will be directed towards less suitable targets: men and boys.
This is homophobia at its most basic, and it’s grounded in the misogynistic premise that the correct target of male aggression (allegedly romantic) is a woman or a girl. This homophobia is proof that people know that women’s complaints about male harassment are legitimate, that our fears of male violence are legitimate, but they want us to put up with it anyway because tolerating that is what they think women and girls are for."
Female rape, on the other hand, was greeted with a mixed reaction in the past.
You make it sound like the stigmatization of female human beings who disclose these things is our own fault; like in the past it wasn't, but today it is. Open your Bible to the very first book and read through the creation story. Therein you will find that, according to men, the very first notable act of a woman in human history was an act of deceit. Men have always broadly branded us as liars is my point, or at least for the whole of our recorded history. There's a self-interested reason for that, I think.Female rape, on the other hand, was greeted with a mixed reaction in the past. On the one hand male family members were liable to go on a rampage to punish the rapist or accuse the female of asking for it and punishing her. The police and and criminal justice system would often put the victim on trial, thus adding insult to injury. As a result, many female rapes went unreported. However, as that changed, there have also been unscrupulous women who have made false accusations for vindictive or monetary considerations. There has also been the development of pseudoscientific regression therapy among psychiatric/psychological practitioners that has all too often planted or suggested false memories, resulting in unjust accusations of sexual molestation.
Enough of those outliers have been publicized that there is a more jaded attitude toward delayed rape/molestation reports by females. I expect that as time passes, that skepticism will be extended to delayed male reporting as well.
You're missing the point. The point is that it took more than 20 women coming forward, including three accusing him not just of sexual harassment, but of full-fledged rape, before he lost his post. By contrast, one sexual harassment allegation was all it took for House of Cards to be cancelled.Chris wrote:
With Weistein all it took was one and then others came out.
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Power always thinks it has a great soul, and vast views, beyond the comprehension of the weak. And that it is doing God service when it is violating all His laws.
--John Adams
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Becaue you don't really have a point. Weinstein was on the way out after one allegation, Spacey after one--House of Cards is not Spacey. I think you're taking square facts of allegations and trying to fit them into the round hole group identity.
Also, so far, all of this is just allegations. No one should be punished for allegations.
Tradition is not the worship of ashes, but the preservation of fire. ― Gustav Mahler
Okay, now you're just making stuff up. I think we're done here.Chris wrote:
Becaue you don't really have a point. Weinstein was on the way out after one allegation, Spacey after one...
My comment about male reporting of sexual abuse is derivative of my experience with sexual abuse claims by males, which don't carry the same stigmitization of the victim as they did before. As to our willingness to believe that some individuals have exploited their money, fame and power to take advantage of people, I'm not convinced that most believe that it's because of some notion that gay men are any more or less prone to this kind of behavior than heterosexual men.
I don't believe that the disclosure of legitimate sexual abuse of any kind is something to be held against women. However, I do believe that society is sceptical about the motives behind such relevations, given that some higher profile women have chosen to take financial settlements rather than pursue criminal prosecution and others have made false accusations maliciously. When a civil suit, as opposed to criminal prosecution, is the goal of such accusations, there can be a perception that money, rather than justice, is the ultimate objective.
I don't happen to think that the #me too phenomenon is perceived to be directly financially motivated, but more of a cathartic airing out of the Hollywood book of secrets for many, although I wouldn't be surprised if some are jumping on the bandwagon in order to make money from talk shows and interviews. Such is often the nature of people in the entertainment industry who depend on recognition to make a living.
In quoting my post, you affirm and agree that you have not been goaded, provoked, emotionally manipulated or otherwise coerced into responding.
"The difference between what we do and what we are capable of doing would suffice to solve most of the world’s problems.”
Mahatma Gandhi
IMPress Polly (11-04-2017)