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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    ^^The but that wasn't true communism argument.
    Even partial communism fails, just more slowly.
    "An army, great in space, may offer opposition in a brief span of time.
    One man, brief in space, must spread his opposition
    across a period of many years if he is
    to have a chance of succeeding"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalkin View Post
    Even partial communism fails, just more slowly.
    Why the so-called mixed economy fails.
    Edmund Burke: "In vain you tell me that Artificial Government is good, but that I fall out only with the Abuse. The Thing! the Thing itself is the Abuse!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Why the so-called mixed economy fails.
    Making freeloading an entitlement can never lead to prosperity.
    "An army, great in space, may offer opposition in a brief span of time.
    One man, brief in space, must spread his opposition
    across a period of many years if he is
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Was reading the other day, in George Hawley's Right-Wing Critics of American Conservatism, how the European New Right considers socialism just another emanation of Enlightened individualism.

    To me though socialism arose in opposition to individualism and its private ownership of property and free markets. Both promote reason over faith, but individualism is Aristotelian in its adherence to the logical law of non-contradiction, while socialism accepts contradiction in it's reliance on the Hegelian dialectic.
    What they argue, which is derived from the work of anthropologists such as Louis Dumont, is that socialism is only conceivable in a society where individualism has already taken root. The Marxist paradigm of class conflict wouldn't even make sense in a premodern, holistic context. Marx is actually denounced as an individualist because no where and at no time did he ever have the intention of reestablishing organic social structures. Marxist thought played a prominent role in the autonomy of the economic sphere. Goifn to read this next:

    https://www.amazon.com/Mandeville-Ma.../dp/0226169812
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    What they argue, which is derived from the work of anthropologists such as Louis Dumont, is that socialism is only conceivable in a society where individualism has already taken root. The Marxist paradigm of class conflict wouldn't even make sense in a premodern, holistic context. Marx is actually denounced as an individualist because no where and at no time did he ever have the intention of reestablishing organic social structures. Marxist thought played a prominent role in the autonomy of the economic sphere. Goifn to read this next:

    https://www.amazon.com/Mandeville-Ma.../dp/0226169812

    Thanks for the clarification! That makes sense that it had to arise in an individualist context and wouldn't have in a premodern setting. Dumont is given a section in the chapter on the new right. From Mandeville to Marx: Genesis and Triumph of Economic Ideology is now in my cart while I search for a cheaper one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Thanks for the clarification! That makes sense that it had to arise in an individualist context and wouldn't have in a premodern setting. Dumont is given a section in the chapter on the new right. From Mandeville to Marx: Genesis and Triumph of Economic Ideology is now in my cart while I search for a cheaper one.
    Dumont, Pierre Rosanvallon and Marcel Gauchet are three names that come up a lot.


    I was thinking the same thing. That's a little pricey. B&N has it for $16 but they're out of stock.

    https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/fro...ont/1114535937
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    Dumont, Pierre Rosanvallon and Marcel Gauchet are three names that come up a lot.


    I was thinking the same thing. That's a little pricey. B&N has it for $16 but they're out of stock.

    https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/fro...ont/1114535937
    Same with Hick's Explaining Postmodernism, it's currently going for ~$350 for paperback, good grief, I picked up a used copy for $30, used meaning with notes and underlining. These are university book with small publications is why.

    Damned great books though!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Same with Hick's Explaining Postmodernism, it's currently going for ~$350 for paperback, good grief, I picked up a used copy for $30, used meaning with notes and underlining. These are university book with small publications is why.

    Damned great books though!
    Ah, that looks good. His discussion of art looks intriguing. Charles Taylor, for example, argues that art for art's sake is a relatively recent cultural phenomenon. Art in the past , like economics, was always embedded in society and served a social purpose
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    Edmund Burke: "In vain you tell me that Artificial Government is good, but that I fall out only with the Abuse. The Thing! the Thing itself is the Abuse!"

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    I don't think communism was ever what the USSR and their offshoots like China and others practiced. The revolution that put them in power in Russia was partially created and then stolen by rich and powerful people who wanted a base of operations to create a world government. They backed a hack writer (karl Marx) to sell their disinformation to the boobgeoisie in Russia and other countries and used anyone who would go along with them to push their agenda. Its about concentrating all power into just a few hands and using fear and terror to keep the power once they have obtained it.


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