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    Quote Originally Posted by kilgram View Post
    Well, where have been a communist government? Same argument.

    So now, that we are talking in the same terms, and according to you there has not been any real communist government neither a real free market system.

    Can we start talking about the different statist versions that represent both systems.

    And once that we can start talking about them, can we check the facts behind them? Because both systems have millions of deaths behind. Both systems, one more than the other, have caused a lot of poverty and inequality across the world.

    In one system we are seeing how there is no opposition is going backwards, and if this system was giving away power was for the fear of a revolution, a communist revolution that will never happen and they can start to recover what they consider theirs, and from the fall of the Soviet Union we are living this, as there is no counter part power to the Liberalism. So, from the the 80s and 90s the maneveur from the liberalism to take what they consider rightfully theirs have been working. The propaganda as liberalism is the best system that has ever existed is working in full machine. As, if this system was the best thing ever happened to the world.

    Even, that this application of the liberal theories is too light. It should be applied with more force, so the righful can rule over the masses as they deserve.

    And no, I did not read, the OP. I pass to read the same lies and partial truths over and over.


    The Soviet Union, China, N Korea, Cuba, etc. All failures.

    there has not been any real communist government
    Right, the no true communism argument.

    Can we start talking about the different statist versions that represent both systems.
    The free in free markets means free from (statist) regulation.

    Because both systems have millions of deaths behind.
    The free market? Examples?

    Both systems, one more than the other, have caused a lot of poverty and inequality across the world.
    Poverty is the natural state of humans.

    The propaganda as liberalism is the best system...
    I don't think so.

    It should be applied with more force, so the righful can rule over the masses as they deserve.
    In a free market? How?
    Tradition is not the worship of ashes, but the preservation of fire. ― Gustav Mahler

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    Poverty is the natural state of humans?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Somalia was controlled by warring factions.
    The natural state of a nation without government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Common Sense View Post
    The natural state of a nation without government.
    Anarchism has two meanings. Rules without rulers--definitely not Somalia. And chaos--Somalia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Anarchism has two meanings. Rules without rulers--definitely not Somalia. And chaos--Somalia.
    The reality is though, that without a means to enforce rules, people disregard them. People also tend to fall back into tribalism without government. Without a means to enforce rules, might becomes right and warlords and violence prevails.

    I think anarchism, like communism, can only work on small scale and not in a large nation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Common Sense View Post
    The reality is though, that without a means to enforce rules, people disregard them. People also tend to fall back into tribalism without government. Without a means to enforce rules, might becomes right and warlords and violence prevails.

    I think anarchism, like communism, can only work on small scale and not in a large nation.

    Come on already, CS, your attempt to confront me with the Samilia argument against libertarianism died a long time ago. And mainly because it's based on a misconceotion of libertarianism.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Common Sense View Post
    Poverty is the natural state of humans?
    Yes. Consider, if you did nothing, nothing to feed, clothe and shelter yourself, what state would you in but absolute, abject poverty. It is necessary for people to work their way out of prosperity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Come on already, CS, your attempt to confront me with the Samilia argument against libertarianism died a long time ago. And mainly because it's based on a misconceotion of libertarianism.


    Do we have a one-world government? Or do you want a larger scale?
    I'm not trying to confront you with anything. I'm simply stating my opinion that an absence of government on any large scale results in chaos, violence and an ineffective economy.

    Its just not a system that works on a large scale and there are historical examples of what happens when there is anarchy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Common Sense View Post
    The natural state of a nation without government.
    Government can be rules without rulers. There need not be a government over society.

    With communism, however, as you scale it up the need for central planning increases. Marinaleda, a communist town in Spain, is run by the major who assigns work and you work or you take a hike. Scale that up more and you get your failed attempts at communism in Russian, China, Cuba.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Yes. Consider, if you did nothing, nothing to feed, clothe and shelter yourself, what state would you in but absolute, abject poverty. It is necessary for people to work their way out of prosperity.
    I'd argue that the natural state of humans isn't to do nothing.

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