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    The essence of the facts

    Muslims worship a God that is different from the one worshipped by Christians and Jews.
    This might be due to the fact that Muslims often refer to God as "Allah". This concept is false, since "Allah" is simply the Arabic word for the One true "God" Who created the universe and all humanity. Let there be no doubt - Muslims worship the God of Noah, Abraham, Moses, David and Jesus. However, it is certainly true that Jews, Christians and Muslims all have different concepts of Almighty God. For example, Muslims - like Jews - reject the Christian beliefs of the Trinity and the Divine Incarnation.

    This, however, does not mean that each of these three religions worships a different God - because, as we have already said, there is only One True God. Judaism, Christianity and Islam all claim to be “Abrahamic Faiths”, and all of them are also classified as “monotheistic.” However, Islam teaches that other religions have, in one way or another, distorted and nullified a pure and proper belief in Almighty God by neglecting His true teachings and mixing them with man-made ideas. Islam calls upon people to return to the one true God and to worship and obey Him alone. Islam teaches that God should be approached without intermediaries. That is because the merciful all-knowing God is completely in control of everything that exists and that He can bestow His grace and mercy on His creatures as He pleases; therefore no intercession, atonement or incarnation is necessary.


    Arabic speaking people of all religions refer to God as "Allah". For example, if you pick up an Arabic translation of the Christian Bible you will see the word "Allah" where "God" is used in English. Therefore, Allah is not the god of only the Muslims, but the same God worshipped by all monotheistic faiths. This idea that "Allah" is different from "God" is illogical since it is tantamount to saying that the French worship a different "god" because they use the word "Dieu", that Spaniards worship a different "god" because they say "Dios" or that the Hebrews worshipped a different "god" because they called Him "Yahweh"!

    The Quran, which is the divine scripture of Muslims, was revealed in the Arabic language, so Muslims use the word "Allah" for "God", even when they are speaking other languages. A more literal translation of "Allah" into English might be "the one- and-only God" or "the one true God".
    It should be clearly understood that what Islam is primarily concerned with is correcting humankind's concept of Almighty God. What people are ultimately going to be held accountable for at the end of Day of Judgment is not whether they preferred the word "Allah" or the word "God", but what their concept of Him is. The true concept of God is clarified only within the message revealed by Him. The last message sent by God, or Allah, is the Quran.


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    But Islam respects Jesus as a Prophet, correct? What is the difference between Him and Muhhamhed (sp?) in that case? Eninn?

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    Muslims respect Jesus as a prophet, not as a God. Islam is still a relatively new faith and the only reason that it came about is that Mohammed used it to unite the warring tribes of Arabia, hence the submissive aspect of it. As far as I’m aware, it’s the only world religion that forces others to accept – it’s not an individual choice. If what you say were the case, you would also know that Jesus said he was the only son of God. Mohammed being a messenger of Allah is another thing entirely and is about as man-made as it gets. Islam is a cult, a nasty one at that and if it were introduced today, it would be banned by every Human Rights Act in existence. From Russia to Europe, into Africa and Asia, It’s probably the most hated ‘religion’ in the world and brings death and suffering wherever it surfaces. I do understand that this is your required Muslim ‘Jihad’ eninn and not because you love Jesus.








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    Quote Originally Posted by eninn View Post
    However, Islam teaches that other religions have, in one way or another, distorted and nullified a pure and proper belief in Almighty God by neglecting His true teachings and mixing them with man-made ideas.
    The essential problem lies in the fact that every religion - large and small, ancient or modern - relies on human beings somehow knowing exactly what "His true teachings" are, and conveying those to the rest of us without a lot of "man-made ideas" and cultural accretion. Belief in the divine nature and content of written scripture is, itself, a religious belief - making dependence on what is written there, on the grounds that they represent the will and mind of God, a circular argument.
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    Your argument in defense of Islam religion's beliefs that is the same God in all religions is not supported in the contents of religious teachings of their chosen faith. Does GOD have an altered EGO where Human life is valued in all other religious beliefs no matter what their choice of faith but made Islam the exception where these followers are taught that anyone that does not embrace this religion are deemed as enemies of their GOD and should be destroyed?

    The one GOD belief logically in the contents of how it is taught should be the same story in every religion. This is not the case as each religion teaches their own version of the contents that separates people's ideology in choosing different faiths. In my opinion, an almighty powerful GOD would not allow all different faiths to emerge and take root in societies that ultimately creates division and confusion in understanding his message.

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    brothers
    allah is one for Muslims , Jews and Christians
    But
    Regrettably
    Christian alter the message of Jesus Christ, peace be upon him upside down
    from Uniformity to the Trinity
    Distortion of the heavenly books ( the Torah and the Gospel )
    This led to dissent and disagreement
    And create a new teachings do not relate to the true teachings
    Drinking blood , pork and drinking alcohol , adultery , lying ,
    Example
    So look to the Prophet Muhammad , peace be upon him and his companions and all Muslims so far
    Do not say Muhammad is God or the son of God

    Jesus in the Quran holds one of the highest statures amongst the Prophets. Unlike other Prophets who performed miracles, Jesus himself was a miracle, as he was born of a virgin mother, and God describes him and his mother Mary as such:
    “…and We made her (Mary) and her son (Jesus) a sign for the worlds.” (Quran 21:91)
    Nonetheless, in the Quran, Jesus is described as having many miracles not bestowed upon other prophets. God says:
    “And We gave unto Jesus, son of Mary, clear miracles” (Quran 2:87)
    The following is a brief description of the miracles performed by Jesus mentioned in the Quran.
    God sent the angel Gabriel* to teach Muhammad* the exact words that he should repeat to the people. The words are therefore not his own; they did not come from his own thoughts, but were put into his mouth by the angel. These are written down in the Qur’an, word for word exactly as they came from God.
    Now that we know that prophet we must listen to him, for, according to the Bible, God says: “I will punish anyone who refuses to obey him” (Good News Bible, Deut. 18:19
    There are some similarities between the Quran and the Bible
    But this is not sufficient grounds to accuse Muhammad of compiling or copying from the Bible. The similarities between the two do not indicate that later prophets plagiarized from previous ones, but merely point to a common source, who is the one true God, and to the continuation of the basic message of monotheism.
    The coming of the unlettered Prophet was prophesized in the Bible: “And the book is delivered to him that is not learned.” (Isaiah 29:12)
    see here
    MUST Watch Debate Ahmed Deedat VS Pastor Stanley Sjoberg Is The Bible The Word of God YouTube
    \\\
    my dear brother
    - Islam is a religion of the utmost ease and compassion
    Do not do more of your energy
    In anything
    The original
    Holy Qur’an and the Hadith
    See inside them well
    Your life will completely upright
    Honesty - maintaining secretariats - high morals - help others - away from adultery - murder - drinking alcohol - gambling - treason - honoring one’s parents - kinship - the right of the neighbor - and so on .....
    This is Islam
    Muslim life always
    Tied about the Qur’an Quran and Hadith
    This constitution for life
    Separation between religion and life, something is wrong
    This is already happening in other religions
    So
    Society is going in the way of deviation
    Adultery - murder - robbery - drinking alcohol - international attacks - family disintegration ......
    In your point of view
    Why is this happening?
    This is the result away from the teachings of God and the prophets and messengers
    Narrated ‘Ubada Ibn-As−Samit: who took part in the battle of Badr and was a Naqib (a person heading a group of six persons), on the night of Al−`Aqaba pledge: Allah’s Apostle said while a group of his companions were around him, ” Swear allegiance to me for: 1- Not to join anything in worship along with Allah. 2- Not to steal. 3- Not to commit illegal sexual intercourse. 4- Not to kill your children. 5- Not to accuse an innocent person (to spread such an accusation among people). 6- Not to be disobedient (when ordered) to do good deed .” The Prophet added: ” Whoever among you fulfills his pledge will be rewarded by Allah. And whoever indulges in any one of them (except the ascription of partners to Allah) and gets the punishment in this world, that punishment will be an expiation for that sin. And if one indulges in any of them, and Allah conceals his sin, it is up to Him to forgive or punish him (in the Hereafter) .” ‘Ubada bin As−Samit added: “So we swore allegiance for these.” (points to Allah’s Apostle
    Sahih al-Bukhary, The Book of Faith, Hadith Number:18, Narrated by: Obada Ibnus-Samit
    so
    Islam came with mercy for all creation through the beauty of the islamic legislation which establishes justice, fairness and advocate, the grounds for security and stability in communities. Allah The Most High says in the Holy Quran :
    ” But seek, through that which Allah has given you, the home of the Hereafter; and [yet], do not forget your share of the world. And do good as Allah has done good to you. And desire not corruption in the land, Allah does not like corrupters.” [Al-Qasas: 77].
    In this Ayah Allah The Most High, orders His slaves to seek the blessing given from Allah, but do not forget their share of the world, and His also orders to good deed, but forbids to corrupt or do destruction, because it can cause instability in life.
    In another Ayah Allah The Most High, says :
    ” Indeed, Allah orders justice and good conduct and giving to relatives and forbids immorality and bad conduct and oppression. He admonishes you that perhaps you will be reminded.” [An-Nahl: 90].
    Immorality includes; every greater sin likes shirk, killing another illegally, sexual act without married, looting, arrogant, humiliate to the others. Bad conduct includes every sin and wickedness related to the rights of Allah. Oppression includes every act oppresses to the life being, to the soul, to the property and their honors.
    Those Ayahs tell us that Islam is full of Mercy and far from oppression. Let us take a look on sunnah as a second basic rule after Quran. From Abu Hurairah May Allah pleased him, The Prophet May Peace be upon him said :
    “Whomsoever not to love another, thus will not be loved”.[reported by Bukhari].
    allah guided you

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    brothers
    allah is one for Muslims , Jews and Christians
    But
    Regrettably
    Christian alter the message of Jesus Christ, peace be upon him upside down
    from Uniformity to the Trinity
    Distortion of the heavenly books ( the Torah and the Gospel )
    This led to dissent and disagreement
    And create a new teachings do not relate to the true teachings
    Drinking blood , pork and drinking alcohol , adultery , lying ,
    Example
    So look to the Prophet Muhammad , peace be upon him and his companions and all Muslims so far
    Do not say Muhammad is God or the son of God

    Jesus in the Quran holds one of the highest statures amongst the Prophets. Unlike other Prophets who performed miracles, Jesus himself was a miracle, as he was born of a virgin mother, and God describes him and his mother Mary as such:
    “…and We made her (Mary) and her son (Jesus) a sign for the worlds.” (Quran 21:91)
    Nonetheless, in the Quran, Jesus is described as having many miracles not bestowed upon other prophets. God says:
    “And We gave unto Jesus, son of Mary, clear miracles” (Quran 2:87)
    The following is a brief description of the miracles performed by Jesus mentioned in the Quran.
    God sent the angel Gabriel* to teach Muhammad* the exact words that he should repeat to the people. The words are therefore not his own; they did not come from his own thoughts, but were put into his mouth by the angel. These are written down in the Qur’an, word for word exactly as they came from God.
    Now that we know that prophet we must listen to him, for, according to the Bible, God says: “I will punish anyone who refuses to obey him” (Good News Bible, Deut. 18:19
    There are some similarities between the Quran and the Bible
    But this is not sufficient grounds to accuse Muhammad of compiling or copying from the Bible. The similarities between the two do not indicate that later prophets plagiarized from previous ones, but merely point to a common source, who is the one true God, and to the continuation of the basic message of monotheism.
    The coming of the unlettered Prophet was prophesized in the Bible: “And the book is delivered to him that is not learned.” (Isaiah 29:12)
    see here
    MUST Watch Debate Ahmed Deedat VS Pastor Stanley Sjoberg Is The Bible The Word of God YouTube


    \\\
    my dear brother
    - Islam is a religion of the utmost ease and compassion
    Do not do more of your energy
    In anything
    The original
    Holy Qur’an and the Hadith
    See inside them well
    Your life will completely upright
    Honesty - maintaining secretariats - high morals - help others - away from adultery - murder - drinking alcohol - gambling - treason - honoring one’s parents - kinship - the right of the neighbor - and so on .....
    This is Islam
    Muslim life always
    Tied about the Qur’an Quran and Hadith
    This constitution for life
    Separation between religion and life, something is wrong
    This is already happening in other religions
    So
    Society is going in the way of deviation
    Adultery - murder - robbery - drinking alcohol - international attacks - family disintegration ......
    In your point of view
    Why is this happening?
    This is the result away from the teachings of God and the prophets and messengers
    Narrated ‘Ubada Ibn-As−Samit: who took part in the battle of Badr and was a Naqib (a person heading a group of six persons), on the night of Al−`Aqaba pledge: Allah’s Apostle said while a group of his companions were around him, ” Swear allegiance to me for: 1- Not to join anything in worship along with Allah. 2- Not to steal. 3- Not to commit illegal sexual intercourse. 4- Not to kill your children. 5- Not to accuse an innocent person (to spread such an accusation among people). 6- Not to be disobedient (when ordered) to do good deed .” The Prophet added: ” Whoever among you fulfills his pledge will be rewarded by Allah. And whoever indulges in any one of them (except the ascription of partners to Allah) and gets the punishment in this world, that punishment will be an expiation for that sin. And if one indulges in any of them, and Allah conceals his sin, it is up to Him to forgive or punish him (in the Hereafter) .” ‘Ubada bin As−Samit added: “So we swore allegiance for these.” (points to Allah’s Apostle
    Sahih al-Bukhary, The Book of Faith, Hadith Number:18, Narrated by: Obada Ibnus-Samit

    so
    Islam came with mercy for all creation through the beauty of the islamic legislation which establishes justice, fairness and advocate, the grounds for security and stability in communities. Allah The Most High says in the Holy Quran :
    ” But seek, through that which Allah has given you, the home of the Hereafter; and [yet], do not forget your share of the world. And do good as Allah has done good to you. And desire not corruption in the land, Allah does not like corrupters.” [Al-Qasas: 77].
    In this Ayah Allah The Most High, orders His slaves to seek the blessing given from Allah, but do not forget their share of the world, and His also orders to good deed, but forbids to corrupt or do destruction, because it can cause instability in life.
    In another Ayah Allah The Most High, says :
    ” Indeed, Allah orders justice and good conduct and giving to relatives and forbids immorality and bad conduct and oppression. He admonishes you that perhaps you will be reminded.” [An-Nahl: 90].

    Immorality includes; every greater sin likes shirk, killing another illegally, sexual act without married, looting, arrogant, humiliate to the others. Bad conduct includes every sin and wickedness related to the rights of Allah. Oppression includes every act oppresses to the life being, to the soul, to the property and their honors.

    Those Ayahs tell us that Islam is full of Mercy and far from oppression. Let us take a look on sunnah as a second basic rule after Quran. From Abu Hurairah May Allah pleased him, The Prophet May Peace be upon him said :
    “Whomsoever not to love another, thus will not be loved”.[reported by Bukhari].
    allah guided you
    Last edited by eninn; 11-08-2017 at 02:52 PM.

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    Do you think that the disciples and followers of Christ Jesus peace be upon him

    They are the only ones who live in his reign and his life on earth?


    You are mistaken
    The students which follow Christ Jesus peace be upon him will not be able to

    Live for 600 years until the advent of the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him

    Disciples and followers of Christ Jesus peace be upon him

    Are the ones who carry and apply the teachings of Christ and inherit Jesus

    Even if the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him came

    they Believe in his words and deeds


    It is mentioned in the book of Isaiah chapter 29 verse 12:

    "And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned."

    When Archangel Gabrail commanded Muhammad (pbuh) by saying Iqra - "Read", he replied, "I am not learned".

    Surat Al-`Alaq (The Clot) - سورة العلق

    بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

    96:1

    Recite in the name of your Lord who created -
    96:2

    Created man from a clinging substance.
    96:3

    Recite, and your Lord is the most Generous -
    96:4

    Who taught by the pen -
    96:5

    Taught man that which he knew not




    \\\ The truth
    Islam, Christianity and Judaism
    Source of the divine is one
    God
    But
    Been corrupted Torah and the Gospels
    So
    Find different opinions
    God says in the Holy Qur’an
    (71) O People of the Scripture, why do you confuse the truth with falsehood and conceal the truth while you know [it]?
    (157) Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered prophet, whom they find written in what they have of the Torah and the Gospel, who enjoins upon them what is right and forbids them what is wrong and makes lawful for them the good things and prohibits for them the evil and relieves them of their burden and the shackles which were upon them. So they who have believed in him, honored him, supported him and followed the light which was sent down with him - it is those who will be the successful.
    On the contrary,-
    Reconstruction and find life in Islam
    God says in the Holy Qur’an
    (32) Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land – it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one – it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors.
    (68) And those who do not invoke with Allah another deity or kill the soul which Allah has forbidden [to be killed], except by right, and do not commit unlawful sexual intercourse. And whoever should do that will meet a penalty
    (69) Multiplied for him is the punishment on the Day of Resurrection, and he will abide therein humiliated
    (70) Except for those who repent, believe and do righteous work. For them Allah will replace their evil deeds with good. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful
    (71) And he who repents and does righteousness does indeed turn to Allah with [accepted] repentance





    -Look at the Crusades
    Killed millions of people, women and children without mercy
    Under the name of Christ
    Jesus is innocent of that
    On the contrary,
    Prophet Muhammad in the wars
    Order the believers
    Not killing women, children and non-burn destruction of houses and trees
    Added to that-
    Theft of Research Science and Muslims
    And attributed to themselves by deception and lying
    فيلم وثائقي بريطاني عن علماء المسلمين و العرب


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    The Quran uses the word ‘We’ when quoting Allah. Does that mean that Muslims believe in more than one God?
    Islam adheres to uncompromising monotheism. It teaches that God is One and indivisible. In the Quran, God often refers to Himself as "We". But it does not mean that there is more than one God. The reference of God to Himself as "We" in many Quranic verses is necessarily understood in the Arabic language to denote power and grandeur, as opposed to the more intimate singular form, "I", used in specific instances.

    In some languages there are two types of plural form. One is related to quantity and used to refer to two or more persons, places or things. The other kind of plural is one of majesty, power and distinction. For example, in proper English, the Queen of England refers to herself as ‘we’. This is known as the ‘royal plural’. Rajeev Gandhi, the ex-Prime Minister of India used to say in Hindi, "Hum dekhna chahte hain". "We want to see." ‘Hum’ means ‘we’, which is again a royal plural in Hindi language. Similarly, when God refers to Himself in the Quran, He sometimes uses the Arabic word 'nahnu', meaning ‘We’. It does not indicate a plurality of number but the plurality of power and majesty.

    The oneness of God is stressed throughout the Quran. A clear example is in this short chapter “Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him.” (Quran 112:1-4)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Standing Wolf View Post
    The essential problem lies in the fact that every religion - large and small, ancient or modern - relies on human beings somehow knowing exactly what "His true teachings" are, and conveying those to the rest of us without a lot of "man-made ideas" and cultural accretion.
    Every religion, every ideology, whether Christ, or Marx, Muhammed, or John Stuart Mill, can be victims of the said problems. Particularily for those who don't even know where their beliefs originate to begin with.

    Belief in the divine nature and content of written scripture is, itself, a religious belief - making dependence on what is written there, on the grounds that they represent the will and mind of God, a circular argument.
    In practice, that is the nature of every ideology, yes - whether they use the specific language of "god, and divine", or merely eskew said 'supernatural' wording in favor of 'secular" ones while in practice, treating completely identically, yes:

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-...e_b_83555.html

    And it occurred to me in the writing of the Avakian piece that followers of Avakian aren’t so different from followers of L. Ron Hubbard. Both groups, for one, believe that their sacred leaders hold the key to the best possible future: if only people would get on board, become Scientologists or Maoists, the new, brighter future would arrive. But, more important, both are terrific latter-day examples of cults of personality. Scientologists will tell you they don’t worship L. Ron Hubbard, but they talk about him as if he’s the smartest, bravest man who ever lived. They have pictures of him everywhere. They even think his novels are good. And Avakian’s supporters have been increasingly frank that they actually want a cult of personality around Bob Avakian (although they call it a “cult of appreciation”).

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