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    There Is No Such Thing as Equality, and Thank Goodness

    Equality before the law, where the government cannot pick winners and losers, is something to strive for, but equality of individuals (or group identities) is an unattainable abstraction.

    There Is No Such Thing as Equality, and Thank Goodness

    ...Those who believe in the power of markets believe that true equality comes from each individualís ability to equally pursue his or her dreams without fear of intervention from a governing authority.

    But the socialists have distorted this term into something that can never exist, no matter how much they may wish it. The socialists would like to see everyone made equal through some planned economy directed to a specific end. That end being equal pay and status.

    Unfortunately, no two people are born the same. Each person has unique skills and experiences that set him apart from all others. The only way in which two people can be made to be the same is through a complete government takeover of every aspect of our lives. Or, in other words, nothing short of ultimate force would bring about this goal. Which is exactly what Hayek warns about in chapter eight of The Road to Serfdom.

    What socialists forget, or perhaps never understood to begin with, is that the free market is the only vessel from which equal access to our ambitions can be achieved without trampling on the ambitions or rights of others.

    Under free market capitalism, a man is not prescribed his destiny at birth. The child born in the streets and swaddled in rags can grow up to be an entrepreneur, creating value, jobs, and driving the economy. So long as he has the ambition and will to do so, of course.

    But this ability to change oneís stars belittles this notion of class warfare because in true capitalism one can move from one station to the next, making socialism completely irrelevant to the equation....
    Edmund Burke: "In vain you tell me that Artificial Government is good, but that I fall out only with the Abuse. The Thing! the Thing itself is the Abuse!"

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    ...but, but, the liberals say...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Equality before the law, where the government cannot pick winners and losers, is something to strive for, but equality of individuals (or group identities) is an unattainable abstraction.

    There Is No Such Thing as Equality, and Thank Goodness

    Equity is a much better term. I mean it does suck in someway that highschool mentality dictates some of the biggest money makers in real life. The entertainment industry where people trade off brute force, looks and politics and CEO's where they trade of silver tongued bull$#@! and back stabbing ability. . But it is comforting to see the so called "nerds" have their day at the bank too.
    Last edited by donttread; 11-11-2017 at 12:46 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donttread View Post
    Equity is a much better term. I mean it does suck in someway that highschool mentality dictates some of the biggest money makers in real life. The entertainment industry where people trade off brute force, looks and politics and CEO's where they trade of silver tongued bull$#@! and back stabbing ability. . But it is comforting to see the so called "nerds" have their day at the bank too.

    equity
    [ek-wi-tee]
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    noun, plural equities.
    1.
    the quality of being fair or impartial; fairness; impartiality:
    the equity of Solomon.

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    The government must be by law, though it isn't. People shold be but you can't force people to be. The smart person knows you get ahead by providing others what they want.
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    I have always maintained that there is no such thing as equalities . Anyone who says there is has been lied to. It is a pipe dream of liberalism
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    Whenever I read libertarian - in my view nonsense - opinion pieces I wonder why the apologetic? So what, we'll never have lots of things but why moan or praise the lack thereof? Is it really necessary to bring this to our attention or is this just a salve to sooth the anguished soul? I'll never [fill in your never] and neither will the world, thus I will tell you again and again. Bah humbug.



    "Libertarian solutions favored by the political right have contributed even more directly to the erosion of social responsibilities and valued forms of communal life, particularly in the UK and the US. Far from producing beneficial communal consequences, the invisible hand of unregulated free-market capitalism undermines the family (e.g., few corporations provide enough leave to parents of newborn children), disrupts local communities (e.g., following plant closings or the shifting of corporate headquarters), and corrupts the political process (e.g., US politicians are often dependent on economic interest groups for their political survival, with the consequence that they no longer represent the community at large). Moreover, the valorization of greed in the Thatcher/Reagan era justified the extension of instrumental considerations governing relationships in the marketplace into spheres previously informed by a sense of uncalculated reciprocity and civil obligation. This trend has been reinforced by increasing globalization, which pressures states into conforming to the dictates of the international marketplace." Daniel Bell in http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/communitarianism/



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    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    Whenever I read libertarian - in my view nonsense - opinion pieces I wonder why the apologetic? So what, we'll never have lots of things but why moan or praise the lack thereof? Is it really necessary to bring this to our attention or is this just a salve to sooth the anguished soul? I'll never [fill in your never] and neither will the world, thus I will tell you again and again. Bah humbug. ...


    Topc's not libertarianism. The topic's egalitarianism. The rest made no sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    equity
    [ek-wi-tee]
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    noun, plural equities.
    1.
    the quality of being fair or impartial; fairness; impartiality:
    the equity of Solomon.

    @ dictionary.com


    The government must be by law, though it isn't. People shold be but you can't force people to be. The smart person knows you get ahead by providing others what they want.
    For me equity means you get the portion of the pie that you "earned" vs. equality where everyone gets the same sized piece. Talents of certain kinds, enter into it. For examle, good looks and in some cases being able to climb a ladder while stabbing each other in the back.
    We often "want" what our basil instincts tell us to want.
    I'm just saying our priorities are not truly evolving or becoming more enlightened

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    Quote Originally Posted by donttread View Post
    For me equity means you get the portion of the pie that you "earned" vs. equality where everyone gets the same sized piece. Talents of certain kinds, enter into it. For examle, good looks and in some cases being able to climb a ladder while stabbing each other in the back.
    We often "want" what our basil instincts tell us to want.
    I'm just saying our priorities are not truly evolving or becoming more enlightened

    If by that you mean we keep the fruits of our labor, then I agree.

    (BTW, it's not a fixed pie but gorws with each exchange, each trade.)
    Edmund Burke: "In vain you tell me that Artificial Government is good, but that I fall out only with the Abuse. The Thing! the Thing itself is the Abuse!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Equality before the law, where the government cannot pick winners and losers, is something to strive for, but equality of individuals (or group identities) is an unattainable abstraction.

    There Is No Such Thing as Equality, and Thank Goodness
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