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    Quote Originally Posted by barb012 View Post
    How ironic that this op comes up when the government is putting a bill through that allows churches to fund politician's in donations. To expand their doctrine includes teaching their audience in influencing political agendas by using their religious beliefs as a powerful tool over their followers.
    Could you give us some examples of what you're talking about?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Standing Wolf View Post
    I read about a church, somewhere in the rural South, called the 'Do Me Good Baptist Church". When a schism about something divided the membership, one group left and founded what they called the "Do Me Better Baptist Church". May be an apocryphal story, but it sounds about right.



    Of course acceptance of the Pope's primacy, the belief that "holy tradition" is of equal authority with Scripture, and that the Holy Spirit preserves the Church hierarchy from doctrinal error - those are all matters of faith. Sure, it feels good, on one level, just to "let go" intellectually and place your faith in what someone else tells you they know; the desire to own and have access to a sort of owner's manual to life and the universe is one of Man's oldest and strongest urges - it's what makes Religion such a powerful, recurring force in history.
    The South is over run with churches that came from feuds of church members. This is why you have the Holy Church of the Seven Deadly Sins and a half block away, The Holy Church of the Seven Deadly Sins and the Call To Baptism, and then another half block The Holy Church of the Seven Deadly Sins and the Call to Baptism of the Believers"

    A slight exaggeration but there are a number of off springs in any community in the deep south. To be fair there are also a large number of small churches because of transportation issues when the area was first settled. In a two mile radius of my house I can count at least 10 small congregations. However if you look at the effort that was required to get from your home to to your church 75 80 years ago when these churches first formed you can see most people had to walk over very rough terrain. Churches tended to become family churches close at hand.

    I still like the Traditional Catholic Mass because before Vatican II you could go to Mass in any church in any country and other than the Sermon every service was exactly the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by barb012 View Post
    How ironic that this op comes up when the government is putting a bill through that allows churches to fund politician's in donations. To expand their doctrine includes teaching their audience in influencing political agendas by using their religious beliefs as a powerful tool over their followers.
    Never heard that. In fact most Churches are not even allowed to support a specific candidate from the pulpit.

    Can you tell us what bill that might be?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nathanbforrest45 View Post
    The South is over run with churches that came from feuds of church members. This is why you have the Holy Church of the Seven Deadly Sins and a half block away, The Holy Church of the Seven Deadly Sins and the Call To Baptism, and then another half block The Holy Church of the Seven Deadly Sins and the Call to Baptism of the Believers"

    A slight exaggeration but there are a number of off springs in any community in the deep south. To be fair there are also a large number of small churches because of transportation issues when the area was first settled. In a two mile radius of my house I can count at least 10 small congregations. However if you look at the effort that was required to get from your home to to your church 75 80 years ago when these churches first formed you can see most people had to walk over very rough terrain. Churches tended to become family churches close at hand.
    The greatest number of such divisions and breakaways have no doubt come from some (what to most folks would be) relatively minor doctrinal point that one group or another decided was so important that they could not bring themselves to fellowship with those who held a different view of it. The human ego also plays its part in such dvisions, I believe; the urge to be seen as a learned and authoritative teacher of the Faith is strong in those places, and what better way to establish yourself in that position than to start your own church body?

    Quote Originally Posted by nathanbforrest45 View Post
    I still like the Traditional Catholic Mass because before Vatican II you could go to Mass in any church in any country and other than the Sermon every service was exactly the same.
    Before I had ever set foot in a Catholic church, I learned about the Faith by reading an old Catholic high school Religion text from the '40s that I'd picked up somewhere. So when I actually began going to Mass and taking instruction - this was in the late '70s - I was surprised, and occasionally dismayed, at the differences between the practices I'd read about and the reality I was experiencing. There were times, however, when an older, tradition-minded priest would seem to "forget" to call for certain parts of the new liturgy. When I was living in San Jose, the nearest church had a congregation made up almost entirely of Portuguese speakers, so of course that's the language Mass was conducted in. Not speaking or understanding a word of either Latin or Portuguese, it was all the same to me, and I was free to imagine that I was worshipping in an earlier time in Church history.
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