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Thread: Trump sons' hunting in focus as US lifts import ban on African elephant

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    Quote Originally Posted by Common Sense View Post
    You could see how allowing imports could increase the trade though, right? No one is saying that the US change their laws, but US laws can have an impact on increasing this trade.

    The US not banning the import of ivory will not have an impact upon the elephant population in Africa.

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    This has nothing to do with other countries. It has to do with not allowing the trade here. I support most of what Trump does but this one is just plain wrong.

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    Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But I digress....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bethere View Post
    Trump sons' hunting in focus as US lifts import ban on African elephant
    It's best to hunt in focus, for sure. You might shoot the wrong target if your vision is blurry.
    "An army, great in space, may offer opposition in a brief span of time.
    One man, brief in space, must spread his opposition
    across a period of many years if he is
    to have a chance of succeeding"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bethere View Post
    Where's the blood on that knife? Photoshop, anyone? lol.
    "An army, great in space, may offer opposition in a brief span of time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bethere View Post
    This just stinks to high heaven.

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...N8ZFOD4xbU2nov

    The Trump administration’s decision to loosen restrictions around the import of elephant trophies from Zimbabwe and Zambia has turned attention back to the president’s family’s own connection to the controversial sport.
    Donald Trump Jr and Eric Trump are prolific big-game hunters and during the 2016 campaign, images re-emerged of the pair on a 2011 hunting trip posing with animals they had killed on safari, including an elephant, a buffalo and a leopard.

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    More left ignorance of how conservation, wildlife management, and "herd health" work.

    Culling the herd is a critical part of keeping it vibrant and healthy. SPECIFIC ANIMALS are tagged for culling , for beig too old to contribute to the breeding health of the herd, sickness, etc.

    Substantial fees are paid to the conservation/poaching/game management operations of the nations involved for the right to hunt these specifically chosen for culling animals. It is one of the PRIMARY WAYS preserves, etc., are financed.

    Any edible meat taken, is the property of the nearest village, to be eaten.


    Please explain how the "left outrage" is anything more than emotional nonsense . based in IGNORANCE of the Real World...the left's "special gift"......
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    Quote Originally Posted by KathyS View Post
    Me either, Common Sense. As I said, I need to research the issue before I offer an opinion. However, from what I can gather so far, animals killed provide food for many.
    We donate the deer meat to various programs such as Hunters for the Hungry.

    https://www.feedingtexas.org/get-involved/hunt/

    That being said, I don't know how well hunting is regulated in Africa, and it may be corrupt for all I know.
    Unlike deer, gestation for an elephant is 22 months and the mother may not give birth again until their 15-year-old is ready to go out on its own, as elephants mature slowly and are not born knowing most of what they need to know to survive the hostile savannah. Minimally a cow will not reproduce again until the calf is fully weaned, which is at about 3 years of age and then only if there is a great support system i.e. a large herd of cows. On average they may give birth every 5 years. Elephants are similar to humans, being far more reliant on education than instinct. Under eight years old calves spend 80% of their time within 16 feet of their mother and 91% of their time within 16 feet of another adult family member. In fact, immature elephants spend more than half of their time 3 feet or less from another family member. Large herds contain many allomothers, who help raise the immature elephants, comprised of cows without young and often older females. It's the elephant version of it taking a village to raise children. Also, like humans, they are very long-lived i.e. 70 years in the wild. This is not a species prone to overpopulation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ Jim View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    Unlike deer, gestation for an elephant is 22 months and the mother may not give birth again until their 15-year-old is ready to go out on its own, as elephants mature slowly and are not born knowing most of what they need to know to survive the hostile savannah. Minimally a cow will not reproduce again until the calf is fully weaned, which is at about 3 years of age and then only if there is a great support system i.e. a large herd of cows. On average they may give birth every 5 years. Elephants are similar to humans, being far more reliant on education than instinct. Under eight years old calves spend 80% of their time within 16 feet of their mother and 91% of their time within 16 feet of another adult family member. In fact, immature elephants spend more than half of their time 3 feet or less from another family member. Large herds contain many allomothers, who help raise the immature elephants, comprised of cows without young and often older females. It's the elephant version of it taking a village to raise children. Also, like humans, they are very long-lived i.e. 70 years in the wild. This is not a species prone to overpopulation.
    The elephants culled are removed for being too old to benefit the herd, usually.
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