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Thread: Keystone Pipeline Leaks 210K Gallons of Oil in South Dakota

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    Quote Originally Posted by resister View Post
    Great question!
    It has a lot to do with the topic. People opposed this pipeline exactly for this reason- massive spills. And that's exactly what happened. Almost a quarter of a million gallons were spilled. That's a big deal.
    I'm prancing like a pony.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahuyaman View Post
    I doubt there will ever be a time when the internal combustion engine is extinct.


    If I could buy an electric powers truck that had the hauling capacity of my F350 diesel and a suitable range at an affordable price I'd be all over it. As long as I had the ability to recharge it in the middle of Nebraska 500 miles from any civilization. I guess I could recharge using my Honda gas powered generator.
    As much as it took time to create gas stations in remote areas, it will probably take a little time to provide charging stations, but they are coming. Carrying a gas generator is a good idea if you are travelling in remote areas. I expect that for a while after electric vehicles become mainstream gas will drop in price until reserves get depleted and then only a few players will remain in the industry and prices will climb again.
    In quoting my post, you affirm and agree that you have not been goaded, provoked, emotionally manipulated or otherwise coerced into responding.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahuyaman View Post
    I doubt there will ever be a time when the internal combustion engine is extinct.


    If I could buy an electric powers truck that had the hauling capacity of my F350 diesel and a suitable range at an affordable price I'd be all over it. As long as I had the ability to recharge it in the middle of Nebraska 500 miles from any civilization. I guess I could recharge using my Honda gas powered generator.
    I agree that they won't go extinct, but like horseback riding, they will be a luxury and most likely classics that people drive on the weekends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    I suspect that you are one of those people who is change resistant i.e. if it was good enough for grandfather and your father, it's good enough for you. Regardless of whether you like it or not, technology changes and the inefficient is replaced by the more efficient whether you like it or not. Your argument vis-a-vis maintaining internal combusion is to me like arguments about creating a more efficient wood burning oven vs an electric oven or arguing in favor of oil burning furnaces.
    Physics will define the limits, despite your protests and government mandates.
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Common Sense View Post
    I agree that they won't go extinct, but like horseback riding, they will be a luxury and most likely classics that people drive on the weekends.
    I think you overestimate this future alternative fuels source.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    Physics will define the limits, despite your protests and government mandates.
    Give it up. You are disussing the issue with a worshiper of big government.


    Government mandates it, so it shall be done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Common Sense View Post
    Because it's not realistic. Like with most industries, government and the automakers work together to set realistic goals that can be achieved. Legislation isn't just sprung on them.
    For those who love government, there is no possible arrangement other than government mandates.

    Government is a necessary evil. I wonder why some love it so.
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.


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    Quote Originally Posted by leekohler2 View Post
    It has a lot to do with the topic. People opposed this pipeline exactly for this reason- massive spills. And that's exactly what happened. Almost a quarter of a million gallons were spilled. That's a big deal.
    An unlikely high estimate of 210 thousand gallons has magically become a quarter of a million gallons. By Tuesday it will approach a million gallons of crude on the ground.

    But the puddle looks like it is a couple of hundred feet across. It is a small spill.
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahuyaman View Post
    I think you overestimate this future alternative fuels source.
    Maybe. But I seriously doubt that gas engines are the pinnacle and that advances in transportation end with the gas engine.

    Do you think people will still be driving cars with gas engines in 100 years from now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Common Sense View Post
    If you want to ignore reality and mischaracterize my statements, that's fine.

    The fact is, emission standards have driven manufacturers to improve technology to meet those standards. That's just a fact. It would be far easier and cheaper for manufacturers to produce vehicles with higher emission levels.
    Here in America a large percentage of people want larger trucks and SUVs. That is why the legislation has been set as an average for a car manufacture. They can build some little thing that gets over 50 mph, and a certain niche will buy that while the bulk of America is getting vehicles with lower gas mileage.
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