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    Quote Originally Posted by nic34 View Post
    ^^ now theres some of that good ol christian concern for women
    I think that is known as the ad hominem fallacy: attack one's opponent, rather than address the argument he is making.

    But I suppose that you simply cannot do the latter...

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    The OP is an example of failing schools in the US. We are creating idiots in our universities.
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    It's true. The political entity known as the "United States of America" was not founded on the Christian religion. That said, the influence of Christianity on the founding of America is pervasive, immense, and undeniable. The biggest reason why militant secularists want to hide this truth is because they disdain any belief system where the state isn't the highest authority.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalkin View Post
    Attack christianity to facilitate marxism.
    Christianity is centered around the belief that God is the highest authority. Naturally, Marxists cannot abide such thinking.
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    The United States of America is not Christian. But America - at least, the idea of America - definitely is. Granted, there are other threads of influence besides Christianity, but the culture and ideology of early America was fully Christianized.
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    ...enlightened by a benign religion, professed, indeed, and practiced in various forms, yet all of them inculcating honesty, truth, temperance, gratitude, and the love of man; acknowledging and adoring an overruling Providence, which by all its dispensations proves that it delights in the happiness of man here and his greater happiness hereafter...
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    ...the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them...
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    Quote Originally Posted by pjohns View Post
    I think that is known as the ad hominem fallacy: attack one's opponent, rather than address the argument he is making.

    But I suppose that you simply cannot do the latter...

    You assume, incorrectly, that reason and logic are important to liberals today. Classical liberals certainly believed so, but that was attacked by the likes of Rousseau and Hegel, predecessors to today's liberals. I'm sure they see you pointing out a logical fallacy and shake their collective heads in dismay, what's wrong with you!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    You assume, incorrectly, that reason and logic are important to liberals today. Classical liberals certainly believed so, but that was attacked by the likes of Rousseau and Hegel, predecessors to today's liberals. I'm sure they see you pointing out a logical fallacy and shake their collective heads in dismay, what's wrong with you!
    You are surely correct: Today's liberals (not to be confused with the earlier believers in liberal democracy) are much more about feelings than thought processes: If one does not attitudinize in the politically correct way, well, then one is to be dismissed--even scorned.

    As for the Enlightenment philosophers that you have cited, I never cared for Rousseau. Hegel, in some ways, is a bit more complicated; but Wikipedia says of him, that "Maurice Merleau-Ponty [a French philosopher] wrote that 'all the great philosophical ideals of the past century--[including] the philosophies of Marx and Nietzsche...had their beginnings in Hegel.'"

    'Nuff said.

    Anyway, I much prefer the philosophies of John Locke (on whom this country was founded) and Thomas Hobbes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    Why don't you regale us with some stories about Injun squaws? lol
    I packed me a squaw for ten year, Pilgrim. Cheyenne, she were, and the meanest $#@! that ever balled for beads. I lodge-poled her at Deadwood Creek, and traded her for a Hawken gun.


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