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    Arizona is THE wrong state to accost people. Every second adult is carrying a weapon. And we need no say-so from government to carry on our person concealed.
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    Women especially can be at a disadvantage against men who wish to harm them. A firearm is a good equalizer. Sorry she had to use hers but at least she and her children are safe. Anyone who would do a home invasion is capable of anything. I love being a citizen of Arizona.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cletus View Post
    If you were half as knowledgeable as you pretend to be, you would know that firearms are used defensively as many as 2.5 million times a year. Even the FBI concedes they are used almost 70,000 times a year. So, even with the most conservative estimate, you are so far off base, there is no reason to take anything you say on this subject seriously.
    Zero evidence to support that claim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crepitus View Post
    Zero evidence to support that claim.
    The FBI says you are wrong.

    The information is readily available. You won't examine it because you are afraid it will prove that everything you know is wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cletus View Post
    The FBI says you are wrong.

    The information is readily available. You won't examine it because you are afraid it will prove that everything you know is wrong.
    Don't bother Cletus, you can post statistics all day. Agenda driven people will, deny, deflect or outright lie and then troll, not worth your effort.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cletus View Post
    The FBI says you are wrong.

    The information is readily available. You won't examine it because you are afraid it will prove that everything you know is wrong.
    Post it up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by resister View Post
    Don't bother Cletus, you can post statistics all day. Agenda driven people will, deny, deflect or outright lie and then troll, not worth your effort.

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    He didn't post any statistics.
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    http://www.pulpless.com/gunclock/stats.html

    According to the National Self Defense Survey conducted by Florida State University criminologists in 1994, the rate of Defensive Gun Uses can beprojected nationwide to approximately 2.5 million per year -- one Defensive Gun Use every 13 seconds.Among 15.7% of gun defenders interviewed nationwide during The National Self Defense Survey, the defender believed that someone "almost certainly" would have died had the gun not been used for protection -- a life saved by a privately held gun about once every 1.3 minutes. (In another 14.2% cases, the defender believed someone "probably" would have died if the gun hadn't been used in defense.) In 83.5% of these successful gun defenses, the attacker either threatened or used force first -- disproving the myth that having a gun available for defense wouldn't make any difference. In 91.7% of these incidents the defensive use of a gun did not wound or kill the criminal attacker (and the gun defense wouldn't be called "newsworthy" by newspaper or TV news editors). In 64.2% of these gun-defense cases, the police learned of the defense, which means that the media could also find out and report on them if they chose to. In 73.4% of these gun-defense incidents, the attacker was a stranger to the intended victim. (Defenses against a family member or intimate were rare -- well under 10%.) This disproves the myth that a gun kept for defense will most likely be used against a family member or someone you love.In over half of these gun defense incidents, the defender was facing two or more attackers -- and three or more attackers in over a quarter of these cases. (No means of defense other than a firearm -- martial arts, pepper spray, or stun guns -- gives a potential victim a decent chance of getting away uninjured when facing multiple attackers.)In 79.7% of these gun defenses, the defender used a concealable handgun. A quarter of the gun defenses occured in places away from the defender's home.
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    Quote Originally Posted by resister View Post
    http://www.pulpless.com/gunclock/stats.html

    According to the National Self Defense Survey conducted by Florida State University criminologists in 1994, the rate of Defensive Gun Uses can beprojected nationwide to approximately 2.5 million per year -- one Defensive Gun Use every 13 seconds.Among 15.7% of gun defenders interviewed nationwide during The National Self Defense Survey, the defender believed that someone "almost certainly" would have died had the gun not been used for protection -- a life saved by a privately held gun about once every 1.3 minutes. (In another 14.2% cases, the defender believed someone "probably" would have died if the gun hadn't been used in defense.) In 83.5% of these successful gun defenses, the attacker either threatened or used force first -- disproving the myth that having a gun available for defense wouldn't make any difference. In 91.7% of these incidents the defensive use of a gun did not wound or kill the criminal attacker (and the gun defense wouldn't be called "newsworthy" by newspaper or TV news editors). In 64.2% of these gun-defense cases, the police learned of the defense, which means that the media could also find out and report on them if they chose to. In 73.4% of these gun-defense incidents, the attacker was a stranger to the intended victim. (Defenses against a family member or intimate were rare -- well under 10%.) This disproves the myth that a gun kept for defense will most likely be used against a family member or someone you love.In over half of these gun defense incidents, the defender was facing two or more attackers -- and three or more attackers in over a quarter of these cases. (No means of defense other than a firearm -- martial arts, pepper spray, or stun guns -- gives a potential victim a decent chance of getting away uninjured when facing multiple attackers.)In 79.7% of these gun defenses, the defender used a concealable handgun. A quarter of the gun defenses occured in places away from the defender's home.
    Anecdotal nonsense. @Cletus promised FBI statistics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crepitus View Post
    Anecdotal nonsense. @Cletus promised FBI statistics.
    You see why I said it was use less to provide statistics ? Where do you think these University Criminologist get their info? Some dude on a political forum?
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