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    "Son of Man" versus "Son of God"

    Sometimes, in the New Testament, Jesus refers to Himself of the "Son of God."

    Other times, He says, the "Son of Man."

    It is surely tempting to see the former as a more profound statement.

    But actually, quite the opposite is true.

    After all, all Christians (at least, all Christian males) may correctly refer to themselves as sons of God.

    But the term, "Son of Man," was an obvious allusion to the prophecy in Daniel 7, in which "one like a son of man" is awarded eternal kingship.

    So I would view the term, "Son of Man," as the more profound of the two.

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    Call no man Father.
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    Quote Originally Posted by resister View Post
    Call no man Father.
    And to think I called my father father for 40 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pjohns View Post
    Sometimes, in the New Testament, Jesus refers to Himself of the "Son of God."

    Other times, He says, the "Son of Man."

    It is surely tempting to see the former as a more profound statement.

    But actually, quite the opposite is true.

    After all, all Christians (at least, all Christian males) may correctly refer to themselves as sons of God.

    But the term, "Son of Man," was an obvious allusion to the prophecy in Daniel 7, in which "one like a son of man" is awarded eternal kingship.

    So I would view the term, "Son of Man," as the more profound of the two.

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    It's not exactly clear what Son of Man means.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pjohns View Post
    Sometimes, in the New Testament, Jesus refers to Himself of the "Son of God."
    Other times, He says, the "Son of Man."


    Perhaps he was uncertain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    It's not exactly clear what Son of Man means.
    First of all, it would be correct to say that Jesus is deity incarnated in a human body. He is not a "man" in the complete sense of the intended meaning of that scripture.

    Fast forward to the Book of Daniel, which was written at a time when the “son of man” phrase had a specific and known meaning. In the context of Daniel 7:13, where one "like a son of man" comes to the Ancient of Days (Almighty God) and is given dominion and sovereign power and universal worship of the sort that God alone possesses, the significance of Jesus' "son of man" usage cannot be overstated. It is functionally equivalent to saying that the one like a son of man is rightful heir and successor to the divine throne. "Son of man" is essentially the same as "Son of God" in this context. And if the person in Daniel 7:13-14 is only someone “like” a son of man, then it certainly implies there must be some differences. Otherwise it would say something like, “A son of man” came before the Ancient of Days.”

    The Son of Man / SON OF GOD in Christianity is more than just a King David individual.

    In the Gospel of Matthew, chapter 26, it is written: 'The high priest said to Jesus, "I charge you under oath by the living God: Tell us if you are the Christ, the Son of God?" 64 "Yes, it is as you say," Jesus replied. "But I say to all of you: In the future you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven." 65 Then the high priest tore his clothes and said, "He has spoken blasphemy!
    Jesus was clearly referring to Daniel 7:13 - "In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven."

    And it would only be blasphemy if Jesus was claiming to be divine / the Son of God. It's interesting that the rabbis of that day considered Daniel 7:13-14 as a divine individual.

    Jesus was, in effect, claiming to be the fulfillment of Daniel's "son of man" prophecy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archangel View Post
    [I]f the person in Daniel 7:13-14 is only someone “like” a son of man, then it certainly implies there must be some differences. Otherwise it would say something like, “A son of man” came before the Ancient of Days.”
    I have only a passing familiarity with the Koine Greek of the New Testament; and none whatsoever with the Hebrew and Aramaic of the Old Testament. So I really cannot speculate as to what the original language may say. (Perhaps I could check the Septuagint; but that would merely be checking a translation--which we have here.)

    I also cannot speak to the Hebrew idiom in this regard--what significance, if any, the word, "like," may have had.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pjohns View Post
    Sometimes, in the New Testament, Jesus refers to Himself of the "Son of God."

    Other times, He says, the "Son of Man."

    It is surely tempting to see the former as a more profound statement.

    But actually, quite the opposite is true.

    After all, all Christians (at least, all Christian males) may correctly refer to themselves as sons of God.

    But the term, "Son of Man," was an obvious allusion to the prophecy in Daniel 7, in which "one like a son of man" is awarded eternal kingship.

    So I would view the term, "Son of Man," as the more profound of the two.

    Comments?
    Just my take on it, but the Son of Man is the Holy Ghost, that he enlarges the borders of old Israel, as including all the tribes thus far excluded from the Rothschild-British Mandate, that one nation of Israel there will be.

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    The Lord Yeshua Christ founded the Melchizedek order, and there is no two-state solution, so pack your bags, Jerusalem belongs to us, the 7 stars of Egypt (Amos 5:8) say so, as Numbers chapter 1 reveals 14 tribes, so pack it up, sheep.

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