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    Why James Madison Hated Democracy

    Because Madison was a conservative and wanted to restore centralized government. The state democracies were to radical.

    Why James Madison Hated Democracy

    Why was James Madison so critical of democracies? Moreover, why was he so concerned about them when, according to the definition he provided, "democracies" basically don't exist anywhere, either in his time or in our own.

    Today, many conservatives like to claim that "the Founding Fathers" opposed democracy and supported less majoritarian republics.

    However, as is nearly always the case whenever "the Founding Fathers" are involved, a more accurate statement would be "some Founding Fathers" condemned democracy. Indeed, many of the Founding Fathers — especially among the Anti-Federalists, openly described themselves as being in favor of "democracy" and "the democratical spirit."

    This is no coincidence.

    By attacking democracy, Madison was attempting to discredit the more decentralized and more democratic state governments that were preventing the sort of powerful and centralized government that Madison wanted.

    Thus, Madison sought to condemn localized government that was close to the people, and substitute a vast, less-representative "republic" that was the be the playground of a small number of powerful men — all at taxpayer expense, of course.

    Thanks to the political realities of the time, Madison couldn't come right out and condemn the state governments, lest he look too radical. So, he employed subterfuge and a definition for democracy that could then be used to insinuate that the state government were too close to "mob rule" and must be reined in.

    Specifically, Madison defined a democracy as "a society consisting of a small number of citizens, who assemble and administer the government in person." These societies, Madison contended "have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention."

    Now, obviously, none of the US states at the time fit this description, strictly speaking. There was no "direct democracy," and every state employed elected representatives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Because Madison was a conservative and wanted to restore centralized government. The state democracies were to radical.

    Why James Madison Hated Democracy
    They built a republic with inalienable rights. Democracy is mob rule.

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    A Republic is preferable to a Democracy, but when the Republic winds up being just as corrupt and making up their own rules, it's just as bad

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    Yes, that is the way the federalists defined democracy, as mob rule. But the states prior to the Constitution, under the Articles, were democratic in the way, say, the Swiss are--from the OP article:

    Today's American mega-state represents the triumph of "republicanism" that Madison and federalists so badly wanted.

    The alternative, of course, might have been something more like the Swiss Confederation, with its extremely localized government, its regional differences, and its weak central government. In some areas, government is even administered by something resembling "direct democracy." To this day, taxation powers in Switzerland are still heavily dependent on popular referenda and consensus among all member states. Taxes even have expiration dates and to continue they must be approved by a vote of the people.5 In other words, Switzerland might be looked upon as something close to the modern manifestation of what Madison so loathed in the state governments under the Articles of Confederation. Oh, what a hell we would live in had the Federalists failed! Thank goodness Madison saved us from something akin to the daily nightmare that is Swiss democracy.
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    Ultimately, regardless of the system, either the guys with the guns do whatever they want, or the idiots rule with sheer numbers. You lose either way

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Xl View Post
    A Republic is preferable to a Democracy, but when the Republic winds up being just as corrupt and making up their own rules, it's just as bad
    Not nesessrily. a democrocy could make not being PC a crime. A republic, at least a Constituional republic can't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donttread View Post
    Not nesessrily. a democrocy could make not being PC a crime. A republic, at least a Constituional republic can't.
    That's assuming the people in power follow along. We're supposed to be a Constitutional Republic, and that isn't working as intended at the moment.

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    In small, local democracies, you would be in charge, not some distance power.

    Besides the Swiss, Rojava is another example of bottom-up democracy.
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