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    It's far easier for women to attract a mate, too. I cannot tell you how many guy friends I've had throughout the years who faced tons of romantic rejection from girls. Their humiliation and frustration was made all the more acute by the social expectation that men must approach women. Many of them simply give up after years of little success. I honestly don't know any women who've been faced with this kind of problem. Even the most heinous women have romantic options not available to their male counterparts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IMPress Polly View Post
    More workers = less production? How?



    When I was little, I wanted to be an engineer and work on trains. I was fascinated by trains as a kid. You know what happened? Kids made fun of me because that's not a "girly" thing to be into. So I learned to pursue "girly" work instead.

    I don't mean to complain about my job. I like teaching! I'm just saying that it wasn't my first choice and that that's how it is for many of us.

    Your inquiry was sort of like asking somebody why they aren't in the NFL if they want to watch football. It's really, really over-simplistic.
    you are a fraud. Why aren't you working in the trades? You don't like the work, you are incapable of it, and the money is slim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stjames1_53 View Post
    you are a fraud. Why aren't you working in the trades? You don't like the work, you are incapable of it, and the money is slim.
    That's rather unfair. Females in the past faced a great deal of pressure to conform to gender roles, both from parents and from their peers. That can be very confusing for a child, particularly if the pressure is from their own family or if their family does not support their goals. I am now seeing far more women in roles previously defined as male only, but that's really only in the last 20 years or so. Not that there were none before, but they were far rarer. I have a female acquaintance whose daughter is now an auto mechanic. However, her daughter is in her early 20's. Thirty years ago she would not have been hired no matter how good she was at her job. I have a co-worker who as a teen wanted to go into engineering. Her father adamantly objected and pushed her into commercial studies. Short of leaving home and alienating her family, she had no choice but to abide by her father's wishes. Women who have followed their dreams and entered fields that were one exclusively male have faced terrible prejudice and sexual harassment when crossing those traditional barriers.
    In quoting my post, you affirm and agree that you have not been goaded, provoked, emotionally manipulated or otherwise coerced into responding.



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    Dr. Who wrote:
    It is an interesting video. I certainly felt myself identifying with that poor beleaguered man. Perhaps it was a tad over the top, but it was a dramatic presentation which had to condense a lot of behavior into a short span of time. There is no question, however, that women do experience the condescension portrayed in the video. Less now than when I was younger, but it's still there, along with cat calls and sexual objectification. On the positive side, I do think that people's attitudes are changing and parents are less likely now to artificially limit the dreams of their daughters and girls are less likely to believe that their futures are limited to "supporting roles".
    I used to be more optimistic, but the events of the last three years have caused me to change my mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IMPress Polly View Post
    I used to be more optimistic, but the events of the last three years have caused me to change my mind.
    I think the sexual harassment accusations, while overboard, will change things. Public shame is far more effective than any government law or punishment.
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    @IMPress Polly I watched your video, and I thought it was very interesting - even if a bit OTT (but I guess it had to be to make its point). It made me think about those things, and made me resolve never to be part of doing those things to girls (not that I would want to, but it's easy to get involved in dopey stuff when you are in a group).

    I do think society is still unfair to females in many ways, but I don't know the answer. Maybe it is time, cos if you look at how women were treated in Victorian times , and compare that to today, there has been loads of progress.

    But it's not all one way. For teens - boys get a worse rap than girls. I know from my own experiences that boys get blamed for everything, even if they are not involved. Every boy knows that if they are in a mixed group, and there is a complaint - too much noise, or whatever - it is the boys who will get their names taken. I have been put off a bus cos of a group of noisy school girls. Girls - specially teen girls - are treated as valuable assets by society (for obvious reasons in male society) - while boys are treated as competition, and as a necessary nuisance which must be controlled and put down as much as possible. So society is unfair to different groups for different reasons - mostly selfish ones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    That's rather unfair. Females in the past faced a great deal of pressure to conform to gender roles, both from parents and from their peers. That can be very confusing for a child, particularly if the pressure is from their own family or if their family does not support their goals. I am now seeing far more women in roles previously defined as male only, but that's really only in the last 20 years or so. Not that there were none before, but they were far rarer. I have a female acquaintance whose daughter is now an auto mechanic. However, her daughter is in her early 20's. Thirty years ago she would not have been hired no matter how good she was at her job. I have a co-worker who as a teen wanted to go into engineering. Her father adamantly objected and pushed her into commercial studies. Short of leaving home and alienating her family, she had no choice but to abide by her father's wishes. Women who have followed their dreams and entered fields that were one exclusively male have faced terrible prejudice and sexual harassment when crossing those traditional barriers.
    As I progressed through the ranks of the trades, I went through periods of "indoctrination" or hazing if you will. The trades are a brutal world. I worked my way up through the trades to end up owning two construction companies. THAT was brutal. I also worked for two women,each with their own construction outfits. One couldn't find her ass in a hall of mirrors with a search warrant in her ass pocket and she was an emotional wreck two weeks out of every month, the other was quite competent....guess which one is still around.
    We each have our talents. We go with what we can do.
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