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    Marine pleads guilty in Camp Pendleton hazing crackdown

    Marine pleads guilty in Camp Pendleton hazing crackdown

    I hope the Marines don't take this too far. A certain level of hazing is healthy. It builds teams.

    The Marine Corps crackdown on an epidemic of hazing at Camp Pendleton now includes at least one court-martial decision.

    Cpl. K.D. Lee of Camp Pendleton’s 7th Engineer Support Battalion of the 1st Marine Logistic Group pleaded guilty recently at summary court-martial to one of three charges involving the hazing of a subordinate, according to Marine spokesman 1st Lt. Adam B. Miller.


    “Hazing is contradictory to our core values of honor, courage and commitment and is prejudicial to good order and discipline,” Miller said by email. “Hazing violates our‎ institutional character and disrespects our most precious asset — our‎ Marines and sailors. Hazing is absolutely not tolerated in the Marine Corps.”


    Lee had been accused of inflicting “cruel, abusive, humiliating, oppressive, demeaning or harmful” treatment on a junior enlisted Marine on April 6, according to a charge sheet obtained under the federal Freedom of Information Act.



    She was charged on Aug. 4 with three counts of violating a lawful order designed to prevent hazing and pleaded innocent at an initial hearing on Oct. 13, according to the military court docket.


    There are three levels of court-martial proceedings — general, special and summary. General and special court-martial cases threaten harsher punishments and the stigma of federal felony or misdemeanor convictions.
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    Lee, a three-year veteran of the corps who has yet to deploy overseas, allegedly threatened to toss the subordinate off a rooftop, questioned his gender, derided him with salty language and told other Marines that she was “not (expletive) done with him” and “we’ll get him, don’t worry,” or similar phrases, her charge sheet indicated.
    lol

    That's it? In the infantry, we called that "Monday".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    lol

    That's it? In the infantry, we called that "Monday".
    Political correctness will weaken the military.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Political correctness will weaken the military.
    Clearly.

    What they are describing is not even close to "hazing". The person who ratted her out is a wimp who needs to be discharged from the Marines immediately. Instead, they are coddling him. This is laughable.
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    Here is another case:

    Navy aviators disciplined over air phallus after Coronado hearing

    When the Navy (and the Air Force) have pilot retention problems, the Navy kills the careers of two.

    The Navy’s “Air Boss,” Vice Adm. Mike Shoemaker, has disciplined two aviators involved in a Nov. 15 incident of phallic skywriting in Washington.

    The unnamed male pilot and his backseat aviator from the “Zappers” of Electronic Attack Squadron 130 at Naval Air Station Whidbey Island, Washington, received administrative punishment on Nov. 22 following a Field Naval Aviator Evaluation Board hearing on North Island before Shoemaker.


    Pronounced “fee-nab” in the Navy, the administrative panel is designed to evaluate the performance, motivation and future potential for uniformed aviators. That it occurred on North Island, headquarters of Naval Air Forces, signaled the importance the military assigned to addressing the stunt. Typically, these hearings are convened at the squadron or wing levels and can end the career of Naval aviators.

    “When they came down, the aviators were apologetic,” said Navy spokesman Cmdr. Ron Flanders. “The aviators admitted that they had done it after it occurred. When they appeared before the (Field Naval Aviator Evaluation Board) they were contrite. They realized that this was an embarrassment to Naval Aviation and the entire Navy. This sort of conduct is contrary to the core values of the Navy.”

    Flanders said that the Navy is barred by federal privacy laws from identifying the aviators or detailing their punishment but the results of the board were obtained by The San Diego Union-Tribune. Details were circulated earlier in an email to Navy leaders sent out by Rear Adm. Roy “Trigger” Kelley, the commander of Virginia-based Naval Air Force Atlantic.
    Shoemaker determined that the aviators’ actions were “impulsive and immature” but both were “forthright and remorseful.” Although they risked losing their coveted wing insignia, the endorsing authorities urged the Navy to retain them as aviators and place them into a “probationary” status in case they slip up again.
    Shoemaker concurred with the recommendations but specified the probationary period would last six months and any transgression on land or in the sky that showed a “similar lapse of judgment” or violated the Navy’s core values would lead to a loss of the insignia.
    A career aviator, Shoemaker ordered them to address their fellow crews on Whidbey Island in a series of “Change the Culture” briefs describing the “ramifications and the embarrassment it caused” while “contrasting their actions with the excellence and discipline” of other sailors worldwide. He also wanted them to explore the potential “strategic effects” their conduct might have.

    The pilot, who has pending instructor orders to the training squadron at Naval Air Station Meridian in Mississippi, will conduct a similar presentation to both fellow instructors and students.
    The Navy has only indicated that the pilot of the two-seater EA-18G Growler is a male lieutenant and that he used the contrails of the jet to sketch a phallus in the air during a routine training exercise, a floating image that became an internet sensation when it was photographed and shared on social media platforms.
    The Navy has not released the rank or gender of the backseat flight officer tasked with suppressing enemy radar and communications.
    Both aviators continue to face a separate inquiry from their Virginia-based Carrier Air Wing 3. Called a “JAGMAN” investigation, it’s an administrative probe that analyzes all available information about a relatively minor incident. Its findings of facts, opinions and recommendations often help improve a command’s leadership, promulgate lessons for the rest of the fleet to avoid similar incidents and aid superiors making determinations about the future flight status of an aviator.
    The investigators also can indicate whether they believe violations of military law have occurred, potentially triggering criminal proceedings.
    The Navy has not indicated when the JAGMAN will be finished but says the officers have not been arrested and charged with a crime under the Uniform Code of Military Justice.
    The Growler incident resembled the early 2014 discovery of a phallus painted on a trailer at the Blue Angels winter training grounds at Naval Air Facility El Centro. The image was so large, it could be photographed by satellites in space.
    Capt. Gregory “Stiffy” McWherter, who commanded the Navy’s aerial acrobatic team in two tours between 2008 and 2012, was fired as the executive officer of Naval Base Coronado and later received a punitive letter of reprimand that ended his career.
    Investigators determined that under his command the Blue Angels operated more like a boozy frat house than an elite jet squadron, with his crews openly engaging in sexual harassment and other improper behavior, according to a 2014 report. Their misconduct included peppering racy jokes with homophobia, papering their $#@!pits with pornography and hazing junior enlisted sailors.
    While the misconduct began as “juvenile and sophomoric” high jinks, it degenerated into a “destructive, toxic and hostile” workplace, investigators found.





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    I just shared the story with my sniper buddy. He's loving it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Political correctness will weaken the military.
    It already has Pete
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    Quote Originally Posted by Common View Post
    It already has Pete
    I know. I was active enlisted between 1987 and 1991. When I came back on active duty in 1999 a sergeant major that I had served with as enlisted told me that the $#@! we pulled back them is a ticket out of the army today. It is getting worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    lol

    That's it? In the infantry, we called that "Monday".
    There is heightened awareness/scrutiny in the last few years after they turned a blind eye to some extreme hazing at MCRD Parris Island until it got so out of control outsiders started taking notice, forcing a house cleaning of something like 14 or 15 instructors. IIRC it started with someone who dropped their pack who was pursuing benefits claiming PTSD from boot. Their head had been bashed repeatedly into a door frame. Starting from there they found all kinds of sketchy incidents like making people jerk off while being videoed on camera and such beyond the normal types of discipline. There is an increased scrutiny now that maybe instructors with their own PTSD issues may be taking things too far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Marine pleads guilty in Camp Pendleton hazing crackdown

    I hope the Marines don't take this too far. A certain level of hazing is healthy. It builds teams.



    Read the entire article at the link.
    I suppose that hazing is appropriate if you are trying to dehumanize your troops. It makes it easier to kill without caring if you accept being humiliated, beaten and lose the notion that even your own life is meaningful. However, from a psychological point of view, it is creating PTSD before troops even deploy. It's not really much different than how dogs are made to compete in dogfights. Destroy the individual and make them entirely subjected to authority. It's basically Stockholm syndrome from a psychological perspective.
    In quoting my post, you affirm and agree that you have not been goaded, provoked, emotionally manipulated or otherwise coerced into responding.



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