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Thread: Is Fascism Right Or Left?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Fascism is a radical ideology that seeks to re-create the State. And the end result is nothing like American conservationism.
    It was a radical departure from Enlightenment individualism, liberal democracy and free markets that has swept the West and was foundational here, it was a resistance that at least in inception aimed to restore the old pre-modern world order.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Fascism is a radical ideology that seeks to re-create the State. And the end result is nothing like American conservationism.
    It's not even like the conservatism of the KKK. It's just not an indigenous species and it cannot survive here.
    Whoever criticizes capitalism, while approving immigration, whose working class is its first victim, had better shut up. Whoever criticizes immigration, while remaining silent about capitalism, should do the same.


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    The last vestiges of the pre-modern world in America (and those who know me understand that I do not attach any negative connotations to that term) were destroyed with the antebellum south.
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    It's funny that this thread hasn't turned into a circus. Quite frankly, I think fascism had its good points so I'm not looking to blame anyone for fascism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    It's not even like the conservatism of the KKK. It's just not an indigenous species and it cannot survive here.
    The KKK is a fascist organization and has absolutely nothing in common with conservatism. Conservatism is rooted in the individual. The Klan, like all fascist organisms, adheres to the collective, in this case collective groups of white people.

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    Fascism can't survive in the United States? It has and continues to do so since Woodrow Wilson was president. Its worse practitioners since Wilson were FDR and Obama but every president has support some tenets of the collective. Keep in mind that until it became apparent that Hitler and Mussolini were aspiring to take over all of Europe and were committing Genocide to so so FDR was an ardent admirer of Mussolini. He, like Obama, said he liked Mussolini because he wasn't stopped from doing what the government should be doing (controlling the economy) because he wasn't bound by the Constitution

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    Quote Originally Posted by nathanbforrest45 View Post
    The KKK is a fascist organization and has absolutely nothing in common with conservatism. Conservatism is rooted in the individual. The Klan, like all fascist organisms, adheres to the collective, in this case collective groups of white people.
    The KKK was not fascist, it was conservative and I have no idea what adhering to the collective even means. Do you? The KKK were racists but otherwise adhered to the ideals of classical liberals. That said, who cares? Do you feel threatened?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    It's funny that this thread hasn't turned into a circus. Quite frankly, I think fascism had its good points so I'm not looking to blame anyone for fascism.

    I hope you didn't just jinx this thread!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nathanbforrest45 View Post
    Fascism can't survive in the United States? It has and continues to do so since Woodrow Wilson was president. Its worse practitioners since Wilson were FDR and Obama but every president has support some tenets of the collective. Keep in mind that until it became apparent that Hitler and Mussolini were aspiring to take over all of Europe and were committing Genocide to so so FDR was an ardent admirer of Mussolini. He, like Obama, said he liked Mussolini because he wasn't stopped from doing what the government should be doing (controlling the economy) because he wasn't bound by the Constitution
    Fascism has never existed in the US or at least not to any significant extent. Goldberg wrote a cute book but I doubt even he believes the premise. It was written in response to the American left's attempts to characterize the American right as fascist. Goldberg isn't a dumb ass. I suspect he realizes just how silly the whole argument really is,.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nathanbforrest45 View Post
    I hope you didn't just jinx this thread!!!
    Well, the conservatives are out and about insisting the KKK wasn't conservative. lol
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