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    Reasons to impeach trump

    Carryover from another thread, you can thank @hanger4:

    Quote Originally Posted by Crepitus View Post
    There are so many different reasons the impeach this *president* it's not even funny.

    But you are right, they won't go anywhere.

    Until we take back the house and senate.
    Quote Originally Posted by hanger4 View Post
    Not being an arse, but that would be a good thread to start for discussion. List your reasons and mark it tPF so you can throw out the hacks/trash left and right.
    It is obvious that short of being caught with a bloody knife in his hand (and maybe not even then!) trump will not be impeached by the current house and senate. That isn't what this is about. This is a discussion of possible grounds/reasons for hypothetical impeachment proceedings when the left/right mix in congress changes.


    From The Case For Impeachment (used just because they have a nifty list that saved me a bunch of typing) the red is my input.

    1. obstruction of justice; Comey firing and the recent Flynn/FBI related tweets are pretty clearly this.

    2. violations of the Foreign Emoluments Clause and Domestic Emoluments Clause of the United States Constitution; Everything from the DC hotel to trade deals.

    3. conspiring with others to: (a) commit crimes against the United States involving the solicitation and intended receipt by the Donald J. Trump campaign of things of value from a foreign government and other foreign nationals; and (b) conceal those violations; Do you really need me to explain this to you?

    4. advocating illegal violence, giving aid and comfort to white supremacists and neo-Nazis, and undermining constitutional protections of equal protection under the law; Some good people there, they had a permit, I'll pay your legal bills, and other things

    5. abusing the pardon power; and Arpaio's and other potentials

    6. recklessly threatening nuclear war against foreign nations, undermining and subverting the essential diplomatic functions and authority of federal agencies, including the United States Department of State, and engaging in other conduct that grossly and wantonly endangers the peace and security of the United States, its people and people of other nations, by heightening the risk of hostilities involving weapons of mass destruction, with reckless disregard for the risk of death and grievous bodily harm; "rocketman, fatboy, we have nukes why can't we use them.

    7. directing or endeavoring to direct law enforcement, including the Department of Justice and the Federal Bureau of Investigation, to investigate and prosecute political adversaries and others, for improper purposes not justified by any lawful function of his office, thereby eroding the rule of law, undermining the independence of law enforcement from politics, and compromising the constitutional right to due process of law. Why are we investigating Clinton, Uranium None!!!

    Discuss, Debunk, Rebunk, express your opinion.

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    "1. obstruction of justice; Comey firing and the recent Flynn/FBI related tweets are pretty clearly this." .........18 U.S.C. § 1503; Whoever corruptly, or by threats or force, or by any threatening letter or communication, ......... https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1503 .........I see no threats or force, or threatening communications in tweets or testimony (Comey's) that indicates obstruction of justice.
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    I think the abusing the power of pardon is particulary ironic, coming from a liberal

    FROM INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS TIMES
    President Barack Obama issued Tuesday afternoon what will likely be his final commutations and pardons as commander in chief. The commutations were for 200 people, including Chelsea Manning, the army private and analyst sent to prison for revealing secret U.S. military and government information that effectively gave birth to WikiLeaks, the whistleblowing website.Most of the commutations, or shortened prison sentences, were given to prisoners with nonviolent drug convictions. Obama also pardoned, or granted a reprieve, to 64 prisoners and their sentences. They include Oscar Lopez-Rivera of Chicago, an activist who fought for Puerto Rican independence through Fuerzas Armadas de Liberación Nacional, or FALN, a group that claimed it was behind more than 70 bombings in New York from 1974 and 1983.
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    6. recklessly threatening nuclear war against foreign nations, undermining and subverting the essential diplomatic functions and authority of federal agencies, including the United States Department of State, and engaging in other conduct that grossly and wantonly endangers the peace and security of the United States, its people and people of other nations, by heightening the risk of hostilities involving weapons of mass destruction, with reckless disregard for the risk of death and grievous bodily harm; "rocketman, fatboy, we have nukes why can't we use them.

    gotta love this one. Who has who threatened who first? And just who has been launching missiles at Japan, threatening to drop a few on the US? We'll damn sure use them in retaliation. not even close to a charge of impeachment. I sure hope you don't go pro se in any court. so, we should run from a bully? You would, I know......and some wonder how it is that we "appear" to be weak
    The rest of your list is not verified information. You've just posted your opinion as fact...that's a big no no
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crepitus View Post
    Carryover from another thread, you can thank @hanger4:





    It is obvious that short of being caught with a bloody knife in his hand (and maybe not even then!) trump will not be impeached by the current house and senate. That isn't what this is about. This is a discussion of possible grounds/reasons for hypothetical impeachment proceedings when the left/right mix in congress changes.


    From The Case For Impeachment (used just because they have a nifty list that saved me a bunch of typing) the red is my input.

    1. obstruction of justice; Comey firing and the recent Flynn/FBI related tweets are pretty clearly this.

    2. violations of the Foreign Emoluments Clause and Domestic Emoluments Clause of the United States Constitution; Everything from the DC hotel to trade deals.

    3. conspiring with others to: (a) commit crimes against the United States involving the solicitation and intended receipt by the Donald J. Trump campaign of things of value from a foreign government and other foreign nationals; and (b) conceal those violations; Do you really need me to explain this to you?

    4. advocating illegal violence, giving aid and comfort to white supremacists and neo-Nazis, and undermining constitutional protections of equal protection under the law; Some good people there, they had a permit, I'll pay your legal bills, and other things

    5. abusing the pardon power; and Arpaio's and other potentials

    6. recklessly threatening nuclear war against foreign nations, undermining and subverting the essential diplomatic functions and authority of federal agencies, including the United States Department of State, and engaging in other conduct that grossly and wantonly endangers the peace and security of the United States, its people and people of other nations, by heightening the risk of hostilities involving weapons of mass destruction, with reckless disregard for the risk of death and grievous bodily harm; "rocketman, fatboy, we have nukes why can't we use them.

    7. directing or endeavoring to direct law enforcement, including the Department of Justice and the Federal Bureau of Investigation, to investigate and prosecute political adversaries and others, for improper purposes not justified by any lawful function of his office, thereby eroding the rule of law, undermining the independence of law enforcement from politics, and compromising the constitutional right to due process of law. Why are we investigating Clinton, Uranium None!!!

    Discuss, Debunk, Rebunk, express your opinion.

    This is a tPF thread, my very first, so be civil or begone!
    7. Just for fun.

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    Elections matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bethere View Post
    7. Just for fun.
    you're only laughing for the sake of your buddies in here. You're having a meltdown inside
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    The entire list is wishful thinking. If there was any merit to it, Mueller would already have charged him.

    That is something worth your consideration.
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    They were talking impeachment on Election Day. Let them carry on and make fools of themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahuyaman View Post
    They were talking impeachment on Election Day. Let them carry on and make fools of themselves.
    the ink wasn't even dry on the ballots................
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