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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Was the baker given a choice? No, the law is imposed upon him and he is forced to serve others he chooses not to serve.

    Did slaves have a free choice? No, the law imposed slavery on them.
    The law was not "imposed" on him, he was aware of the law when he applied for the business license. He just figured that he could pull a Kim Davis type of stunt to appeal to the right to support him. Some fell for it.

    Sorry, as you continue to invoke the slave meme, it just doesn't have the effect you hope it will. You're not going to be able to play to my emotion, because while a great many men died to end slavery, it gives me satisfaction to see the ideology that supported the institution of slavery attempt to use it as a crutch to support their new target of hatred.
    “Conscientiously believing that the proper condition of the negro is slavery, or a complete subjection to the white man, and entertaining the belief that the day is not distant when the old Union will be restored with slavery nationally declared to be the proper condition of all of African descent, and in view of the future harmony and progress of all the States of America, I have been induced to issue this address, so that there may be no misunderstanding in the future”

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    Well, if you rather live in Uganda or Bolivia to enjoy the type of society that is free from government like you advocate for, go right ahead.
    If you compare the two charts you will see they say the same thing. Those whose economies declined failed to follow Enlightenment ideals especially free markets. You all's advocating regulating the market will lead us down the same trail. Great ideas!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    But not the freedom to choose the career you prefer.

    No one has argued you're forced to have a business, I think you're amused at your own musings.

    My argument is you should be free to pursue happiness as you so choose, to contract and associate with whom you choose, etc etc etc all without interference from a government so long as you do no harm. And no one here has explained the harm in a baker choosing not to bake a cake for someone.
    Your freedom to choose a career /=/ slavery, tyranny, or fascism. If you want to bake cakes all your life and that gives you joy, then open a bakery and sell all the $#@!ing cakes you can make to your heart's content, but if hating on gays trumps your enjoyment of baking cakes, then attempt to make a living on hating gays.
    “Conscientiously believing that the proper condition of the negro is slavery, or a complete subjection to the white man, and entertaining the belief that the day is not distant when the old Union will be restored with slavery nationally declared to be the proper condition of all of African descent, and in view of the future harmony and progress of all the States of America, I have been induced to issue this address, so that there may be no misunderstanding in the future”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Safety View Post
    The law was not "imposed" on him, he was aware of the law when he applied for the business license. He just figured that he could pull a Kim Davis type of stunt to appeal to the right to support him. Some fell for it.

    Sorry, as you continue to invoke the slave meme, it just doesn't have the effect you hope it will. You're not going to be able to play to my emotion, because while a great many men died to end slavery, it gives me satisfaction to see the ideology that supported the institution of slavery attempt to use it as a crutch to support their new target of hatred.
    Is he free to choose to serve whom he pleases or not? No, he is not.

    It is imposed.

    Kim Davis worked for the government, like Agent Zero. The government should stick to equality before the law and not discriminate.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    If you compare the two charts you will see they say the same thing. Those whose economies declined failed to follow Enlightenment ideals especially free markets. You all's advocating regulating the market will lead us down the same trail. Great ideas!!
    Yes, they say the same thing, if you want to live in abject poverty or in shanties, follow the societal model you propose, but if you like your iphone and enjoy the internet to have arguments with strangers about hating on gays more than baking cakes, then follow the model that has government. When are you emigrating to Uganda?
    “Conscientiously believing that the proper condition of the negro is slavery, or a complete subjection to the white man, and entertaining the belief that the day is not distant when the old Union will be restored with slavery nationally declared to be the proper condition of all of African descent, and in view of the future harmony and progress of all the States of America, I have been induced to issue this address, so that there may be no misunderstanding in the future”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Is he free to choose to serve whom he pleases or not? No, he is not.

    It is imposed.

    Kim Davis worked for the government, like Agent Zero. The government should stick to equality before the law and not discriminate.


    The slave mem is intended to appeal to your intellect, not your emotions. And, yes, I see, it's failing.
    Then he is in a pickle of his own choosing. If his reluctance to bake a cake for a gay person, trumps his desire to turn a profit, then he is free to close up shop and tour the country like Westboro Church. Bottom line, he has a choice. Nobody is taking him outback and beating him with a whip or attempting to lynch him, nor cutting off his foot for not baking a cake.
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    Then he is in a pickle of his own choosing. If his reluctance to bake a cake for a gay person, trumps his desire to turn a profit, then he is free to close up shop and tour the country like Westboro Church. Bottom line, he has a choice. Nobody is taking him outback and beating him with a whip or attempting to lynch him, nor cutting off his foot for not baking a cake.
    He's in a pickle because the government takes away his rights. And there is no conflict cof rights where anyone's rights are violated by his choosing not to serve them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    He's in a pickle because the government takes away his rights. And there is no conflict cof rights where anyone's rights are violated by his choosing not to serve them.

    No one is arguing anything you're arguing against.
    The government did not take any rights from him. Stop abusing the word.
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    The government did not take any rights from him. Stop abusing the word.
    His freedom to pursue happiness as he saw fit, his freedom to associate with whom he pleases, his freedom to to contract with whom he pleases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    His freedom to pursue happiness as he saw fit, his freedom to associate with whom he pleases, his freedom to to contract with whom he pleases.

    Your denial is not an argument.
    He is able to do all those things as a private citizen, as a business owner he is required to abide by the laws he agreed to when obtaining his business license. Driving may give you happiness and the ability to associate with those you want and the freedom to let ride in your vehicle whom you want, but if you speed, you will lose that privilege. It's not that hard to understand, sheesh.
    “Conscientiously believing that the proper condition of the negro is slavery, or a complete subjection to the white man, and entertaining the belief that the day is not distant when the old Union will be restored with slavery nationally declared to be the proper condition of all of African descent, and in view of the future harmony and progress of all the States of America, I have been induced to issue this address, so that there may be no misunderstanding in the future”

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