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    By the way, Teddy Roosevelt was an east coast elitist and an imperialist turd who referred to Thomas Paine as a "filthy little atheist" and blamed Thomas Jefferson for the civil war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    By the way, Teddy Roosevelt was an east coast elitist and an imperialist turd who referred to Thomas Paine as a "filthy little atheist" and blamed Thomas Jefferson for the civil war.

    I hope he burns in hell.
    And right up there with Washington and Jefferson.
    Get over it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nic34 View Post
    And right up there with Washington and Jefferson.
    This shows you know very little about American history.

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    There is nothing to get over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nic34 View Post
    And right up there with Washington and Jefferson.
    Get over it.
    Get over it?

    Teddy may have been the right guy for the times. Or maybe he wasn't. One cannot amend the Constitution with a law. The Constitution does not allow the Federal government to own a third of the West. It is time to fix that.
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    Get over it?

    Teddy may have been the right guy for the times. Or maybe he wasn't. One cannot amend the Constitution with a law. The Constitution does not allow the Federal government to own a third of the West. It is time to fix that.
    So article 1 section 8 is not constitutional?

    Or article 4 section 3.

    http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/project...werclause.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by nic34 View Post
    So article 1 section 8 is not constitutional?

    Or article 4 section 3.

    http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/project...werclause.html
    That's different.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nic34 View Post
    So article 1 section 8 is not constitutional?

    Or article 4 section 3.

    http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/project...werclause.html
    So when are you going to explain why the eastern States have almost no federal land ownership? Did the people who actually debated and wrote the constitution forget to exercise a power they reserved to themselves?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Safety View Post
    That's different.
    It's just another tortuous and silly interpretation of the constitution that is completely divorced from reality, much like the "liberal" interpretation of the second amendment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nic34 View Post
    Seems anything a democrat has done before, Trump is eager to undo in his immature little thug way.

    Illegal you say? Who cares.... Clinton and Obama did it.



    When Trump Guts Two Utah National Monuments Next Week, He'll Trigger a New Conservation War

    President Trump plans to head for Utah on Monday to wreak destruction on public lands he knows nothing about.

    Hatch, Zinke and the rest ignore this history. They ignore science. They ignore the impossibility of mining coal profitably on the remote Kaiparowits. They ignore the 2.8 million citizens who told Zinke last summer to leave our monuments intact. They ignore the monumentís 900,000 annual visitors, stunned by sculptured slickrock and bedazzled by the Milky Way alight in the darkest of night skies. The senator and the secretary cater only to a stubborn handful of rural Utahns.

    https://www.commondreams.org/views/2...w-conservation

    Trumpís Cuts to National Monuments Hurt Native Americans Most

    This isnít just about the great outdoors.


    In Utah on Monday afternoon, President Donald Trump and Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke announced their decision to dramatically reduce the size of two of the stateís national monumentsóBears Ears National Monument will be cut by 80 percent, and Grand Staircase-Escalante National Monument by 45 percent. The move, which is legally fraught and an unusual use of presidential power, will likely allow for mining and drilling to return to the land.

    http://www.slate.com/articles/health...inorities.html


    It's an absurd thing to do in my opinion and is only being done to appease his hard line supporters and most importantly to appease energy company executives that will then pay him and the GOP back "bigly". This isn't being done to help the environment or for the public. It's solely being done as a middle finger and a money grab. It's very sad because it's the land and our environment that will suffer most.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chloe View Post
    It's an absurd thing to do in my opinion and is only being done to appease his hard line supporters and most importantly to appease energy company executives that will then pay him and the GOP back "bigly". This isn't being done to help the environment or for the public. It's solely being done as a middle finger and a money grab. It's very sad because it's the land and our environment that will suffer most.
    Uranium mining has already polluted parts of native lands, now they want to polute more of it.
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