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    International warnings as Trump delays Jerusalem decision

    International warnings as Trump delays Jerusalem decision

    I think this is needless provocation. Additionally it is a waste of money. Building an embassy to current security standards is very expensive.

    President Donald Trump faced down warnings of widespread Middle East unrest and untold damage to the peace process Tuesday, telling anxious Arab leaders he still intends to move the US embassy to Jerusalem.


    Amid a frantic round of telephone diplomacy, Trump told Palestinian leader Mahmud Abbas and Jordan's King Abdullah that the deeply controversial move was coming, but crucially did not give a timeframe.
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    Peter........are you aware that Congress passed a law in 1995 mandating the move of the embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, but allowed the President to exercise a waiver delaying the move and that the waiver must be renewed every six months, Trump simply isn't signing the waiver?

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    Granny says, "Dat's right...

    Trump Recognizes Jerusalem as Israel’s Capital, Calls for Moving US Embassy to Jerusalem
    December 6, 2017 | President Donald Trump on Wednesday announced that the U.S. will recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and has instructed the State Department to move the U.S. embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, thereby fulfilling his campaign promise.
    “When I came into office, I promised to look at the world’s challenges with open eyes and very fresh thinking. We cannot solve our problems by making the same failed assumptions and repeating the same failed strategies of the past. All challenges demand new approaches,” he said. “My announcement today marks the beginning of a new approach to conflict between Israel and the Palestinians. In 1995, Congress adopted the Jerusalem Embassy Act, urging the federal government to relocate the American embassy to Jerusalem and recognize that that city and so importantly is Israel’s capital. This act passed Congress by an overwhelming bipartisan majority and was reaffirmed by unanimous vote of the Senate only six months ago,” the president said. “Yet, for over 20 years, every previous American president has exercised the law’s waiver, refusing to move the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem or to recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s capital city. Presidents issued these waivers under the belief that delaying the recognition of Jerusalem will advance the cause of peace,” Trump said. “Some say they lacked courage, but they made their best judgment based on facts as they understood them at the time. Nevertheless, the record is in. After more than two decades of waivers, we are no closer to a lasting peace agreement between Israel and the Palestinians,” he said. “It would be folly to assume that repeating the exact same formula would now produce a different or better result. Therefore, I have determined that it is time to officially recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel,” Trump added. “Acknowledging this as a fact is is a necessary condition for achieving peace.”

    The president said that President Harry Truman recognized the state of Israel over 70 years ago. He noted that Jerusalem is “the seat of the modern Israeli government” as well as “the home of the Israeli Parliament, the Knesset, as well as the Israeli Supreme Court.” “It is the location of the official residence of the prime minister and the president. It is the headquarters of many government ministries,” he said. Furthermore, it is the place where U.S. presidents, secretaries of state and military leaders meet with their Israeli counterparts when visiting Israel as the president did during his trip to the Middle East earlier this year. “Jerusalem is not just the heart of three great religions, but it is now also the heart of one of the most successful democracies in the world,” the president said. “Over the past seven decades, the Israeli people have built a country where Jews, Muslims, and Christians and people of all faiths are free to live and worship according to their conscience and according to their beliefs. “Jerusalem is today and must remain a place where Jews pray at the Western wall, where Christians walk the stations of the cross and where Muslims worship at Al Aqsa Mosque. However, through all of these years, presidents representing the United States have declined to officially recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s capital,” Trump said. “In fact, we have declined to acknowledge any Israeli capital at all, but today we finally acknowledge the obvious, that Jerusalem is Israel’s capital. This is nothing more or less than a recognition of reality. It is also the right thing to do. It’s something that has to be done,” he said. “That is why consistent with the Jerusalem Embassy Act, I am also directing the State Department to begin preparation to move the American embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. This will immediately begin the process of hiring architects, engineers, and planners so that a new embassy when completed will be a magnificent tribute to peace,” Trump said.

    The president clarified that his decision does not “reflect a departure from our strong commitment to facilitate a lasting peace agreement.” “We want an agreement that is a great deal for the Israelis and a great deal for the Palestinians. We are not taking a position of any final status issues, including the specific boundaries, Israeli sovereignty in Jerusalem or the resolution of contested borders. Those questions are up to the parties involved. The United States remains deeply committed to helping facilitate a peace agreement that is acceptable to both sides,” Trump said. “I intend to do everything in my power to help forge such an agreement,” he said. “Without question, Jerusalem is one of the most sensitive issues in those talks. The United States would support a two-state solution if agreed to both sides. In the meantime, I call on all parties to maintain the status quo at Jerusalem’s holy sites, including the Temple Mount, also known as Haram ash Sharif.”

    https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article...ing-us-embassy
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    Rev. Graham: No President in My Lifetime Has Defended the Christian Faith Like Trump
    December 6, 2017 - In reference to remarks made by President Donald Trump at the lighting of the national Christmas tree, Rev. Franklin Graham said no president in his lifetime had taken such a "strong, outspoken stand for the Christian faith" than President Trump and that he needs our prayers.
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    In a Dec. 1 post on Facebook, the day the tree was lit, Rev. Graham said, "Never in my lifetime have we had a president willing to take a strong, outspoken stand for the Christian faith like President Donald J. Trump has." "Whether you are Protestant, evangelical, Orthodox, Catholic -- all Christians need to get behind him with our prayers," said Graham.


    President Donald Trump and first lady Melania Trump.

    At the lighting event on Dec. 1, President Trump, in part said, “For Christians this is a holy season, the celebration of the birth of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. The Christmas story begins 2,000 years ago with a mother, a father, their baby son, and the most extraordinary gift of all – the gift of God’s love for all of humanity. “Whatever our beliefs we know that the birth of Jesus Christ and the story of this incredible life forever changed the course of human history. There’s hardly an aspect of our lives today that His life has not touched – art, music, culture, law and our respect for the sacred dignity of every person, everywhere in the world.

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    Feinstein Urges Trump Not to Change Jerusalem Policy, Six Months After Voting for Him to Do So
    December 6, 2017 – Democratic Senator Dianne Feinstein has written to President Trump, urging him not to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel or to announce he is moving the U.S. Embassy to the city.
    Exactly six months ago Tuesday, the senior senator from California voted in favor of a resolution commemorating the 50th anniversary of Israel’s reunification of Jerusalem, and calling on the president to “abide by” the provisions of the 1995 Jerusalem Embassy Act. That 1995 legislation said Jerusalem should be recognized as Israel’s capital, and required the president to move the embassy from Tel Aviv by May 31, 1999. Feinstein, the eighth-longest serving senator, voted in favor of it on Oct. 24, 1995. The legislation has been periodically waived ever since by Presidents Clinton, George W. Bush, Obama and – last June – Trump.

    In her Dec. 1 letter to the president, which she drew attention to on her Twitter feed on Tuesday, Feinstein said that recognizing Jerusalem as Israel’s capital “would spark violence, further alienate the United States and undermine the prospects of a two-state solution.” “Recognizing Jerusalem as Israel’s capital – or relocating our embassy to Jerusalem – will spark violence and embolden extremists on both sides of this debate,” she wrote. Feinstein noted that Democratic and Republican presidents alike have not recognized the city as the capital of Israel, “in order to remain impartial.” She warned Trump that his decision could put a “two-state solution” out of reach.

    Meanwhile Sen. Cory Booker (D-N.J.) was quoted by the Weekly Standard Tuesday expressing concern about Trump’s planned announcement, saying that the capital and embassy issues “should be part of negotiations for eventual final status.” Booker was one of 14 Democrats who joined 31 Republicans in co-sponsoring the resolution last spring calling on the president to “abide by” the provisions of the Jerusalem Embassy Act. But when the resolution, which was introduced by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), came up for a vote, Booker was one of ten senators who did not vote. It passed 90-0. Last January, Booker also co-sponsored – along with 29 other Democrats and 48 Republicans – a measure objecting to the passage of a controversial U.N. Security Council resolution which described areas disputed between Israelis and Palestinians, including eastern Jerusalem, as “occupied Palestinian territory.” (The Senate resolution has not been voted on.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    International warnings as Trump delays Jerusalem decision

    I think this is needless provocation. Additionally it is a waste of money. Building an embassy to current security standards is very expensive.
    In how many other nations do we allow that nation's enemies to determine where we ought to place our embassy? Does Israel claim Jerusalem is their capital?
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransom View Post
    Peter........are you aware that Congress passed a law in 1995 mandating the move of the embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, but allowed the President to exercise a waiver delaying the move and that the waiver must be renewed every six months, Trump simply isn't signing the waiver?
    Of course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    In how many other nations do we allow that nation's enemies to determine where we ought to place our embassy? Does Israel claim Jerusalem is their capital?
    I think this is needless provocation. Additionally it is a waste of money. Building an embassy to current security standards is very expensive.
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    It wasn't provocation when Bill Clinton, George Bush, and Barack Obama promised it would happen during their terms.

    There is no reason to continue this Israel is occupying Jerusalem nonsense, move our embassy fully embracing Israel's sovereignty over Jerusalem, the holy sites will remain accessible to all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransom View Post
    It wasn't provocation when Bill Clinton, George Bush, and Barack Obama promised it would happen during their terms.

    There is no reason to continue this Israel is occupying Jerusalem nonsense, move our embassy fully embracing Israel's sovereignty over Jerusalem, the holy sites will remain accessible to all.

    I refer you back to my OP.

    I think this will cost too much and increase violence, rather than decrease it. Mainly I am worried about the cost. We need to spend less money, not more.
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    Well it's within the POTUS's power to do this and this had been the way the US leaned for a long time anyway, but it's true that this would probably cause some big problems , especially when the situation in the middle east is already so precarious .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    I think this is needless provocation. Additionally it is a waste of money. Building an embassy to current security standards is very expensive.
    Noted. Irrelevant. Thanks.
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