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    Do you support Sanctuary Cities

    I would have put this in Rants but you cant make a thread TPF in rants.

    I would like responses from people who actually will answer the question. @Dr. Who @Standing Wolf @Green Arrow @Adelaide

    I am attempting a real discussion about Sanctuary Cities, I am not insinuationg any of the above mentioned posters are for or against Sanctuary Cities because I dont know but I would like their opinions on it.
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    I think some of them are going too far. If a city wants to say, "Hey we don't enforce immigration because that is a federal issue and we aren't paid to do it". I am fine with it. When they go out of their way to shelter immigrants from arrest by federal officials, however, by actively thwarting those encounters, they cross the line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kacper View Post
    I think some of them are going too far. If a city wants to say, "Hey we don't enforce immigration because that is a federal issue and we aren't paid to do it". I am fine with it. When they go out of their way to shelter immigrants from arrest by federal officials, however, by actively thwarting those encounters, they cross the line.
    One of the scenarios is this, Local Police arrest and process an individual and find they are here illegally. In a sanctuary city that individual can go to court and be found guilty recieve no jail time and be released without Federal authorities being even notified. Therefore ignoring all immigration laws and putting american citizens at risk.

    Local Police have no obligation and are under no law to report to Federal Agencies, from my experience over many years Police always reported to the Feds anything that broke federal law, it was were all in this together situation. In sanctuary cities police are told not to report immigration violators to Federal immigration officials.

    For example, in the 70s cuban cocaine cartels were running the drug trade with columbians. They had spread through every major city. As Illegal immigrant cubans and others were arrested, immigration authorities were immediately notified and were notified again the exact date of release from Prison. That day the feds pick them up and get them out of the country.

    Sanctuary Cities totally over ride those safeguards
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    Quote Originally Posted by Common View Post
    One of the scenarios is this, Local Police arrest and process an individual and find they are here illegally. In a sanctuary city that individual can go to court and be found guilty recieve no jail time and be released without Federal authorities being even notified. Therefore ignoring all immigration laws and putting american citizens at risk.

    Local Police have no obligation and are under no law to report to Federal Agencies, from my experience over many years Police always reported to the Feds anything that broke federal law, it was were all in this together situation. In sanctuary cities police are told not to report immigration violators to Federal immigration officials.

    For example, in the 70s cuban cocaine cartels were running the drug trade with columbians. They had spread through every major city. As Illegal immigrant cubans and others were arrested, immigration authorities were immediately notified and were notified again the exact date of release from Prison. That day the feds pick them up and get them out of the country.

    Sanctuary Cities totally over ride those safeguards
    I don't consider my life at anyway in risk because of where someone was born. My general position is if the local police/judge/prosecutor want to call ICE, let them. If they don't, that is fine as well. I think the Judge in whichever case that had the defendant ushered out the private doors of their chambers to avoid the ICE Agents waiting outside went too far, but had they not been the one who notified ICE, so be it. One's immigration status largely would be irrelevant and potentially prejudicial in a lot of court proceedings anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kacper View Post
    I don't consider my life at anyway in risk because of where someone was born. My general position is if the local police/judge/prosecutor want to call ICE, let them. If they don't, that is fine as well. I think the Judge in whichever case that had the defendant ushered out the private doors of their chambers to avoid the ICE Agents waiting outside went too far, but had they not been the one who notified ICE, so be it. One's immigration status largely would be irrelevant and potentially prejudicial in a lot of court proceedings anyway.
    I dont personally feel my lifes at risk either, but theres many americans and americans families that would disagree with that, especially those that have lost loved ones.

    The point that everyone just gloss' over is that the second they touch a toe on american soil they have already broken our laws. Whats amazing is President after President congress after congress has never changed those laws. If you want to allow all immigrants and refugees in change the laws, dont allow them to remain and be broken at will.

    Sanctuary cities not reporting to ice those that have been found guilty and fine and not jailed and release is a disgrace they should at the minimum report all those here illegally that break the law but they dont even do that and thats how we have illegals convicted time and time again.

    People that support Sanctuary Cities ignore the murders committed by illegals and the felony criminal acts and they argue its just a few, it is NOT just a few
    Some Facts:

    In 2010 which was the last time the Govt Acct Office compiled the numbers.

    There were 55,000 illegal immigrants in Federal Prison and 296,000 in state prison. That does not include any illegal doing a 2 yr prison sentence of less in county jails across the country.

    GAO estimates that costs to incarcerate
    criminal aliens in federal prisons and
    SCAAP reimbursements to states and loca
    lities ranged from about $1.5 billion
    to $1.6 billion annually from fiscal y
    ears 2005 through 2009

    If you fast forward today the Costs have SOARED compared to that period above and there are even more incarcerated.

    http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d11187.pdf
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    Quote Originally Posted by Common View Post
    I dont personally feel my lifes at risk either, but theres many americans and americans families that would disagree with that, especially those that have lost loved ones.
    That may also have to do with people not being as aware of illegals except to the extent that some make the front page of the paper. Heck the first for real officially verified illegal alien I ever knew was a blond-hair, blue-eyed 20 year old from Canada who had come into the US on a student visa but fell out of status. Never even dawned on anybody until he want back to Canada for Christmas and wasn't allowed back into the US when he was trying to come back in for New Years. He is perhaps the least evil person I have ever met unless you consider being freakishly polite evil (which I might some days). A lot of the people I see about town whom I suspect are probably illegal actually do a lot of good in our area acquiring, renovating, and expanding older housing that otherwise would fall further down if left to red-blooded American slum lords to save them. I consider that a positive for the country.

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    Attachment 21382 here is what they like to ignore.
    Quote Originally Posted by Common View Post
    I dont personally feel my lifes at risk either, but theres many americans and americans families that would disagree with that, especially those that have lost loved ones.

    The point that everyone just gloss' over is that the second they touch a toe on american soil they have already broken our laws. Whats amazing is President after President congress after congress has never changed those laws. If you want to allow all immigrants and refugees in change the laws, dont allow them to remain and be broken at will.

    Sanctuary cities not reporting to ice those that have been found guilty and fine and not jailed and release is a disgrace they should at the minimum report all those here illegally that break the law but they dont even do that and thats how we have illegals convicted time and time again.

    People that support Sanctuary Cities ignore the murders committed by illegals and the felony criminal acts and they argue its just a few, it is NOT just a few
    Some Facts:

    In 2010 which was the last time the Govt Acct Office compiled the numbers.

    There were 55,000 illegal immigrants in Federal Prison and 296,000 in state prison. That does not include any illegal doing a 2 yr prison sentence of less in county jails across the country.

    GAO estimates that costs to incarcerate
    criminal aliens in federal prisons and
    SCAAP reimbursements to states and loca
    lities ranged from about $1.5 billion
    to $1.6 billion annually from fiscal y
    ears 2005 through 2009

    If you fast forward today the Costs have SOARED compared to that period above and there are even more incarcerated.

    http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d11187.pdf
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    This is a relatively decent explanation of how it works.

    How sanctuary cities work, and how Trump’s blocked executive order could have affected them

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/sanctuary-cities/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kacper View Post
    I think some of them are going too far. If a city wants to say, "Hey we don't enforce immigration because that is a federal issue and we aren't paid to do it". I am fine with it. When they go out of their way to shelter immigrants from arrest by federal officials, however, by actively thwarting those encounters, they cross the line.
    Tell me what city does this. With examples.
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    Quote Originally Posted by leekohler2 View Post
    Tell me what city does this. With examples.
    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/03/03...scape-ice.html

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