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    Quote Originally Posted by Crepitus View Post
    I've mentioned this several times and been poohooed.

    China is also stepping up it's foreign aid programs as we cut ours, further undercutting our international influence.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/13/chin...-its-cash.html

    They are also increasing their UN contributions of both money and troops as well as just generally increasing their international presence world wide in an attempt to take over our role as "world police".

    I can't understand why people aren't more concerned about this.
    I worry about the US taking a back seat or no seat on some of these issues as well. It's a difficult balance because I do think we needed to revise our trade agreements but I'm not sure that it's in our benefit to cut ourselves off from the rest of the world.

    Sometimes we have to wait for the impact results of policies to be able to better understand what we did right or wrong.

    When I read this article the funny thing that popped into my head was that series "The Man in the High Castle".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Safety View Post
    LoL, everybody makes mistakes, but that was just egregious.
    Whatever safety, you are on the wrong side of history. Trish's response was thoughtful. I appreciate that and wasn't really singling her out as much as all the misinformation being spouted by the left. We all know that both sides do it and I don'y like it when they act in this manner.

    My point is think for yourself. I don't adopt the R or the D's agenda. I am conservative on financial issues and more libertarian on the Social issues of our time. You? You just fall in line. Our press has corrupted itself as has our government. It has gotten much worse over the last 17 years.
    It is amazing to me the Dems haven't and can't seem to figure out why Trump was elected. Why they lost the middle Blue Voters. Here is one big reason. The BIG TENT PARTY isn't so big anymore. Middle Blue Collar dems are not accepted because they don't agree with the left wing. They are attacked and ridiculed in today's Dem party. One is not allowed to disagree. The whole selling point of the Dem Party was the ability to differ. Not anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crepitus View Post
    I've mentioned this several times and been poohooed.

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    Shady Slim - I welcome you to my seed and appreciate all points of views. I encourage you to defend your position on the article topic and debate with other posters who have a different perspective but I would respectfully ask if you could please not post items that are meant solely to be offensive towards either side.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trish View Post
    I worry about the US taking a back seat or no seat on some of these issues as well. It's a difficult balance because I do think we needed to revise our trade agreements but I'm not sure that it's in our benefit to cut ourselves off from the rest of the world.

    Sometimes we have to wait for the impact results of policies to be able to better understand what we did right or wrong.

    When I read this article the funny thing that popped into my head was that series "The Man in the High Castle".
    I don't think it is possible to revise trade deals to our long term advantage. Most of them are so old, we have already paid the price for entering into them. Probably the most damage has been done by fungible technology. I am old enough that I recall that there used to be limits on foreign access to the latest US computer technology. Now anybody can get the stuff as soon as it is released if not sooner, which allows developing countries the ability to compete like they never could before. I am not saying it is better or worse philosophically, but it has come with economic costs.

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    I question if any socialist economy can ever become a long term world power house. Eventually all socialist regimes collapse under their own weight. China may look like the Big Man on Campus now but time will tell. And if China becomes increasingly capitalist is that a bad thing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nathanbforrest45 View Post
    I question if any socialist economy can ever become a long term world power house. Eventually all socialist regimes collapse under their own weight. China may look like the Big Man on Campus now but time will tell. And if China becomes increasingly capitalist is that a bad thing?
    I agree, there is no true Shangri-La. Maybe what we're seeing is China moving towards a more capitalistic society but I don't think so. I think the author get's it right when he says that China is not ready to take on the role that the United States has had for so long. I admit that I do believe we are dangerously acquiescing our role in the world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kacper View Post
    I don't think it is possible to revise trade deals to our long term advantage. Most of them are so old, we have already paid the price for entering into them. Probably the most damage has been done by fungible technology. I am old enough that I recall that there used to be limits on foreign access to the latest US computer technology. Now anybody can get the stuff as soon as it is released if not sooner, which allows developing countries the ability to compete like they never could before. I am not saying it is better or worse philosophically, but it has come with economic costs.
    You bring up such a great point about technology and how it has become so easily attainable. We are all connected now and the average citizen hasn't considered how that threatens our sovereignty even if by accident at times. In this respect, maybe China has it right that they've kept their knowledge so close to their chest. I'm not knowledgeable to understand how to do this without impeding on citizen's rights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trish View Post
    You bring up such a great point about technology and how it has become so easily attainable. We are all connected now and the average citizen hasn't considered how that threatens our sovereignty even if by accident at times. In this respect, maybe China has it right that they've kept their knowledge so close to their chest. I'm not knowledgeable to understand how to do this without impeding on citizen's rights.
    I am not sure it can be easily done at this point because the inputs to technology are so global now. I believe that it is inevitable that the US will economically decline in relation to other countries because those countries are ascending and at any point in time, the pie is only so big. One of the things we have to figure out culturally is how to adapt to constraint/decline. Our whole leadership/management mentality is based on expansion/growth. We don't have a lot of cultural experience with effectively managing contraction/decline. It is new for us so it presents intellectual challenges unfamiliar to our collective psyche. It is why places like Detroit are chaos. We continue to expect/force growth when that simply is no longer possible there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trish View Post
    I agree, there is no true Shangri-La. Maybe what we're seeing is China moving towards a more capitalistic society but I don't think so. I think the author get's it right when he says that China is not ready to take on the role that the United States has had for so long. I admit that I do believe we are dangerously acquiescing our role in the world.
    I once took a course in Chinese History at the University of Maryland. And one thing I took from the course is that China will always be China. China has been invaded several times in its history but the invaders, instead of turning the Chinese into them, the Chinese turned the invaders into Chinese. I saw communism as just another invader that China would eventually swallow up and go back to its roots. Historically, China has been somewhat laissez-faire economically and the day to day transactions for the general population have been ignored by the central government. Eventually, I truly believe China will return to this economic policy internally.
    Political tags - such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth - are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire.
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